2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2662211 24-Feb-2021 14:39

Rikkitic:Blame the anti-social a$$holes for all this. Their selfishness is what we all will be paying for. But at least they won't be able to get away with it anymore!

Totally agree❗️

England is the land of public CCTV with facial recognition and automatic number plate recognition and other big brother technology. I honestly do not mind this form of Orwellian oversight. WHY because 99% of the time I am an honest citizen. As mentioned above we had the sixties of freedoms followed by the seventies & eighties of privacy. Now we want stricter laws and larger punishments (me included). We are our own worse hypocrites.

I'm tired of NZ law enforcement agencies having to prioritise scarce resources away from the small infringements because this means people think they can get away with slightly larger and then larger and larger infringements.

This quarantine breaker is probably the same person who doesn't QR scan or users their phone whilst driving or throws the dirty nappy out onto the side of the road or claims their child is a good person and is never the school bully.

It all becomes systemic if we as a society and our law enforcement services are not able to make this type of anti-social behaviour accountable from cradle to grave.

I know a lot of people are talking about lock-down-fatigue and cabin fever and financial hardships. How about illness and death fatigue, followed by emotional and grief fatigue.

Oh but it is not me so it is not my concern.

BS ❗️

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2662236 24-Feb-2021 15:41

Press release:

A second batch of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines arrived safely yesterday at Auckland International Airport, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins says.

“This shipment contained about 76,000 doses, and follows our first shipment of 60,000 doses that arrived last week. We expect further shipments of vaccine over the coming weeks,” Chris Hipkins said.

“As with the first shipment, quality assurance and checks by Medsafe are underway.

“By the end of March, we’re due to receive a total of about 450,000 doses – enough to vaccinate 225,000 people with a two-dose course.

“The Ministry of Health is working with Pfizer/BioNTech to develop a delivery schedule for the vaccines that ensures a smooth rollout and scaling up of our immunisation programme as we rollout to the general public in mid-year.

“We started our immunisation programme to around 12,000 border and managed isolation and quarantine workers last Saturday, and once completed, we’ll begin vaccinating their household contacts,” Chris Hipkins said.

Meanwhile, around 40 border workers from Christchurch Airport were vaccinated this morning, the first to do so in the South Island.

“This passes a milestone of the first 1000 border workers and vaccinators in New Zealand to receive their first dose. That’s a great start and we appreciate the effort of the vaccinators and border workers,” Chris Hipkins said.

“They included aviation security workers, cleaners, police, customs workers and health protection officers who screen passengers arriving on international flights.

“It’s pleasing to see the gradual scale up of vaccines being administered among this tier one group, as planned, as processes at each site are fine tuned. Numbers will start to pick up from here.”

Chris Hipkins said a shipment of 490,000 special-purpose needles also arrived yesterday to New Zealand, which will help vaccination teams maximise safe usage of the vaccine.

“Making the most of every vial of the vaccine and avoiding waste will help to ensure the successful rollout of our immunisation programme,” Chris Hipkins said.

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#2662255 24-Feb-2021 16:25

Sweet news. Hope the public health system is ready to step up the vaccination rate in a big way. Very nice problem to have.

225,000 people by the end of march means we need to be doing in excess of 45,000 people a week (in addition to the 2nd doses when they come due. The 40 vaccines given in Christchurch today seem like small fry in comparison.

Great that we have secured the low dead space syringes too.

I think we should be doing the realm countries by the end of march. Under 20k population, and would make a massive difference to these countries.

I wasn't expecting such a delivery rate. Government website was advising that the first vaccinations were expected to arrive in the 2nd quarter (april onward) just a month ago.

I wonder what is going on?

Government under promising so they can beat expectations (I'm fine with this).
Pfizer having more stock than they expected on hand. - Perhaps the US vaccination roll out hasn't been keeping up with their number of orders & they can't take delivery of more shots as their ultracold freezers are full.
Pfizer might be trying to secure more orders from us by delivering their our current order quicker than expected. Being a rich 5m population country with only 750k courses of the Pfizer vaccince means they can potentially up sell us to include the rest of the population. We can afford their price, and they will know they have one of the best vaccines on the market at the moment.

Anyway nice problem to have.

Hopefully we get the realm countries vaccinated in in the next few weeks. Having their borders closed to us is crippling them.

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#2662274 24-Feb-2021 17:35

Gwyneth Paltrow sells candles that smells like her vagina, gives a long list of medical treatment on COVID that's ineffective. Here's her again being nuttier than a squirrel's fecal matter.

New York Times: Gwyneth Paltrow talks...

Reporter: You played Patient Zero in the movie “Contagion.” Did that prepare you for the pandemic?

GP: I remember being on set and people saying, “This could really happen, and this will happen in our lifetime.”

Reporter: Last February, way before face coverings became the norm, you posted a selfie on Instagram wearing a mask.

GP: This is a familiar pattern in my life. I do something early, everyone is like, “What is she doing? She’s insane.” And then it’s adopted by the culture.

I had to take this trip to France when it was all kicking off. I wore it on the plane, but I didn’t wear it to the function that I was going to, and actually ended up getting Covid and coming home, and being one of the first people that I had heard of to have it.

Reporter: Are you planning to take the vaccine?

GP: I still have antibodies. I want everybody else who isn’t protected to go first.

Reporter: Goop has been criticized for making dubious wellness claims and, in 2018, had to pay $145,000 for making unsubstantiated health claims about its vaginal eggs. Why should customers trust Goop?

GP: That was stuff that happened a number of years ago when we were still a little company curating and buying third-party brands that were making claims around their products. We’ve come a really long way from being that small start-up. Even with the Yoni eggs. That was really around claims, but it didn’t involve the product. That egg is not dangerous. We still sell it.

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#2662280 24-Feb-2021 18:06

I think it's unfair to tar and feather the Kmart worker, you have no idea of their circumstances. It's entirely possible this person was forced to come in by management (shame on Kmart), it's entirely possible they didn't understand, it's entirely possible there's a language barrier, it's entirely possible they actively chose to disregard instructions.

What I will say, as someone who is now self-isolating, the instructions you get from MOH/ARPHS/HealthLine/your doctor are entirely inconsistent. I've been given different definitions of self-isolation (ie what I am and am not allowed to do) and I've been told five days by some and fourteen days by others and five days + negative result by yet others.

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#2662282 24-Feb-2021 18:13

antonknee:
I think it's unfair to tar and feather the Kmart worker, you have no idea of their circumstances. It's entirely possible this person was forced to come in by management (shame on Kmart), it's entirely possible they didn't understand, it's entirely possible there's a language barrier, it's entirely possible they actively chose to disregard instructions.

What I will say, as someone who is now self-isolating, the instructions you get from MOH/ARPHS/HealthLine/your doctor are entirely inconsistent. I've been given different definitions of self-isolation (ie what I am and am not allowed to do) and I've been told five days by some and fourteen days by others and five days + negative result by yet others.

I agree. Let's not trial by social media without knowing the entire story. I remember being told by managers to go to work when wife was awaiting covid test. In fact she was advised she doesn't need to isolate while waiting test result. This is last week about 3 days after the mystery community transmission came to light.

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#2662285 24-Feb-2021 18:22

Batman:

I agree. Let's not trial by social media without knowing the entire story. I remember being told by managers to go to work when wife was awaiting covid test. In fact she was advised she doesn't need to isolate while waiting test result. This is last week about 3 days after the mystery community transmission came to light.

Yes exactly. There is inconsistent information out there, which is probably just the nature of an ever-changing pandemic. In any case we are only human and humans make mistakes.... but let's not jump to conclusions until we know the whole story (which we may never know - remember the case who worked in that store in High Street from the NZDF cluster?).

antonknee:

What I will say, as someone who is now self-isolating, the instructions you get from MOH/ARPHS/HealthLine/your doctor are entirely inconsistent. I've been given different definitions of self-isolation (ie what I am and am not allowed to do) and I've been told five days by some and fourteen days by others and five days + negative result by yet others.

Sheer coincidence or kismet I do not know, but moments after posting this I received a phone call from a contact tracer with the MOH with much more detailed and clear information which has spelled this out in no uncertain terms. The caller also took the time to answer my questions and clarify a few details - which is great. Much of what she told me was in direct contradiction of earlier advice, but she specifically pointed out that this advice supersedes all other advice I have been given.

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#2662291 24-Feb-2021 18:57

mattwnz:

What I haven't heard discussed is how of the people are going to need to be vaccinated. Sounds like it will be at least annually and a constant cycle.

I'm not sure where you read that - there is absolutely nothing to suggest there will be a need for annual vaccinations.

Right now we don't know exactly how long protection will last (some people who contracted other Coronaviruses in the past such SARS in 2002 still have antibododies and t-cell protection) so it can't be ruled out that booster vaccines may be required in the future if strains mutate, but there is certainly no expert anywhere that says it will need to be an annual vaccine like a flu shot.

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#2662292 24-Feb-2021 19:10

antonknee:

I think it's unfair to tar and feather the Kmart worker, you have no idea of their circumstances. It's entirely possible this person was forced to come in by management (shame on Kmart), it's entirely possible they didn't understand, it's entirely possible there's a language barrier, it's entirely possible they actively chose to disregard instructions.

What I will say, as someone who is now self-isolating, the instructions you get from MOH/ARPHS/HealthLine/your doctor are entirely inconsistent. I've been given different definitions of self-isolation (ie what I am and am not allowed to do) and I've been told five days by some and fourteen days by others and five days + negative result by yet others.

You're right there shouldn't be a trial by social media, but many of your comments and assumptions are totally incorrect as well and really only fuel the "trial by social media".

We know a lot about the Kmart worker from everything that has been released so far by the MoH so there is absolutely nothing to speculate about. There was absolutely no requirement for the person working at Kmart to be isolating as they were not a close contact or a close plus contact of a confirmed Covid case, nor were they deemed a casual or casual plus contact. They were a family member of a casual plus contact, which means they are secondary contact. The rules around this are 100% clear with zero ambiguity.

Of course the big issue is whether this policy needs to change. Should family members of somebody deemed a casual or casual plus contact be treated like they pose zero risk of contracting the virus or should this change?

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#2662302 24-Feb-2021 20:14

freitasm: We specifically don't need an imported covidiot here.

Fortunately she left yesterday afternoon.

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#2662304 24-Feb-2021 20:18

Got to agree with a lot of comments.

Social media in the last year or so has got so out of hand

Calls for people to be sacked from jobs, be demonized and harassed if they do anything wrong, or have an opinion that differs from the so-called 'social elite'.

'The way it is going if you were a member of the Stasi in the 80s there is a job for you now.

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#2662317 24-Feb-2021 21:14

Queensland travel bubble on hold. That's like a week too late? Or did I read it wrong

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/124352657/queensland-halts-travel-bubble-with-new-zealand-from-tonight

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#2662363 24-Feb-2021 21:23

sbiddle:

antonknee:

I think it's unfair to tar and feather the Kmart worker, you have no idea of their circumstances. It's entirely possible this person was forced to come in by management (shame on Kmart), it's entirely possible they didn't understand, it's entirely possible there's a language barrier, it's entirely possible they actively chose to disregard instructions.

What I will say, as someone who is now self-isolating, the instructions you get from MOH/ARPHS/HealthLine/your doctor are entirely inconsistent. I've been given different definitions of self-isolation (ie what I am and am not allowed to do) and I've been told five days by some and fourteen days by others and five days + negative result by yet others.

You're right there shouldn't be a trial by social media, but many of your comments and assumptions are totally incorrect as well and really only fuel the "trial by social media".

We know a lot about the Kmart worker from everything that has been released so far by the MoH so there is absolutely nothing to speculate about. There was absolutely no requirement for the person working at Kmart to be isolating as they were not a close contact or a close plus contact of a confirmed Covid case, nor were they deemed a casual or casual plus contact. They were a family member of a casual plus contact, which means they are secondary contact. The rules around this are 100% clear with zero ambiguity.

Of course the big issue is whether this policy needs to change. Should family members of somebody deemed a casual or casual plus contact be treated like they pose zero risk of contracting the virus or should this change?