2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2431540 3-Mar-2020 07:18

Could Your Scarf Make You Sick?

"It is easy to pick up germs on fabrics like scarves and gloves, and they can live on those fabrics for as long as 90 days or more," TriHealth Infection Prevention Officer Carolyn Fiutem, MSOL, CIC, FAPIC, says. Some germs live only for a few minutes while others can live for months and years, Fiutem adds. So, it's good to be cautious about where you put your hands, gloves or scarf.

To further protect yourself, disinfect daily any surfaces frequently touched, such as doorknobs, drawer handles, phones and computer keyboards. Use Clorox wipes for hard surfaces or a 1:10 bleach/water solution for highly infectious situations.

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#2431541 3-Mar-2020 07:18

MikeB4: @tdgeek a mask is not enough, eye protection is also required to prevent entry through the eye mucus. A musk will help but not alone.

I realise that, but in my example where we hop off a plane, in a busy airport, busy Customs, busy bagage, it should provide some protection?

In my perfect world, every Kiwi gets distributed a proper mask, you MUST wear it if you are going anywhere near people. And we MUST follow this practice until an advisory says its under containment. Then, the virus has no path. But this Govts approach is minor, hoping the people act sensibly, and its not too inconvenient

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#2431543 3-Mar-2020 07:21

frankv:

tdgeek:

When we hop off a plane we walk with others to go to Customs. Walk with them and mill around baggage pickup. Walk past many in the terminal, then we get a cab, or a Uber as a traveller I know did recently from Japan. Its quite tough to keep away from others for you and their sakes. Those ones in Nelson that were apparently on the Emirates flight (but weren't now?) and the one in ChCh had to get there from AKL. An infected person can potentially leave a number of victims in their wake.

Maybe if we do get a growing few more here, it might be worthwhile everyone wearing a mask. Its some protection both ways, making it harder to spread or take in the virus.

Just being near an infected person will not infect you. You need to get droplets from the infected person's lungs into your eyes, nose, or mouth to get infected. Either they need to cough on your face or hands, or touch you, or you need to touch something they've touched.

Hence, the most common way for the infection to be passed on is from one family member to another.

I get that, but people breathe. Have you ever seen a doco where the breath is displayed in InfaRed? It goes everywhere. Or is breathing over someone 100% safe?

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#2431544 3-Mar-2020 07:25

Droplets of water is the infection medium. There is no evidence of airborne infection. So breathing over someone is safe, so long as it doesn't include droplets.

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#2431545 3-Mar-2020 07:31

frankv:

Droplets of water is the infection medium. There is no evidence of airborne infection. So breathing over someone is safe, so long as it doesn't include droplets.

Thanks for the clarification, appreciate that.

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#2431548 3-Mar-2020 07:42

frankv:

Mahon:

Masks not changed can become a breeding ground and will spread rather than contain the virus. Its more a physiological thing.

I don't think they can be a breeding ground for the virus. That surely needs live human cells. But conceivably a reservoir.

And presumably other viruses and bacteria.

Top tip: Double the use of your face mask by using it back to front the next day!

N95 masks are a one way filter. 😀

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#2431549 3-Mar-2020 07:48

Seeing the comments coming out of Europe, the UK and US there is definitely a ramping up of severity. I think that behind the scenes governments know that this is about to take off in a direction that none are really prepared for. They have to keep talking it down somewhat or they would risk complete panic. Thats just my opinion of course and may not be the case but I'm not waiting to be told to get ready to isolate. I've food for 3 weeks and I can easily work from home.

I'm not bothered with masks as they are pointless by all expert accounts so I'll just start making a habit of washing my hands multiple times per day.

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#2431552 3-Mar-2020 07:58

geekiegeek:

Seeing the comments coming out of Europe, the UK and US there is definitely a ramping up of severity. I think that behind the scenes governments know that this is about to take off in a direction that none are really prepared for. They have to keep talking it down somewhat or they would risk complete panic. Thats just my opinion of course and may not be the case but I'm not waiting to be told to get ready to isolate. I've food for 3 weeks and I can easily work from home.

I'm not bothered with masks as they are pointless by all expert accounts so I'll just start making a habit of washing my hands multiple times per day.

Yeah. I feel over there, the density they live in and the lack of direction makes it clear that it will spread. Italy is doing well with self quarantine measures, and France are up there too, but too may people too close to each other to stop it . The Govt attitude here is the same but not many of us, generally low density, and we are cautious, so if an area had an outbreak I feel it would get contained well enough

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#2431554 3-Mar-2020 08:01

As others have said, I'm not particularly worried by the virus itself as my wife and I are pretty fit and healthy. I think the main disruption will be the closing of various services and peoples fear of infection making them do stupid things.

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#2431562 3-Mar-2020 09:06

geekiegeek:

As others have said, I'm not particularly worried by the virus itself as my wife and I are pretty fit and healthy. I think the main disruption will be the closing of various services and peoples fear of infection making them do stupid things.

Maybe it's just the way it's written, but that post is easily interpreted as being astoundingly self-centred! Perhaps you mean 'I'm not particularly worried about the impact of the virus on me or my wife...'?

I also think the complacency of the "I'll be alright, Jack" perspective may also come with its own risks, eg even if one is personally not susceptible to the direct health impacts of Covid-19, one still has the potential to contribute to its spread.

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#2431563 3-Mar-2020 09:07

I can't help but think that coordinated optimism risks not finding support for an appropriate balance.

China seems to have exponential growth under control - but look what they had to do to achieve it.

There's a 20% chance that you'll need to be hospitalised - the fatality rate may be only ~20 times worse than seasonal flu, but the required hospitalisation rate is 100 times worse - and our health system struggles to cope with seasonal flu.

There's a storm coming - hoping that the forecast is wrong isn't the right action.

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#2431586 3-Mar-2020 09:29

I might be a little concerned ...my wife is a GP ...who will be on the front line. My parents are in their 70's. The in-laws are in their 80's. My nephew has a breathing issue.

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#2431589 3-Mar-2020 09:31

I have a lot of confidence in my medical team to give me a very good chance to weather this storm. Unfortunately I have very little confidence in the Government to manage it. Right now they seem (correct me if I am wrong) more concerned at limiting the economic impact than the health impact. I have no confidence in the public to manage this what with panic buying, complacency, gungho she'll be right and I am too tough or too perfect to be affected attitudes that are all equally stupid and unhelpful.@

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2431595 3-Mar-2020 09:54

jonathan18:

geekiegeek:

As others have said, I'm not particularly worried by the virus itself as my wife and I are pretty fit and healthy. I think the main disruption will be the closing of various services and peoples fear of infection making them do stupid things.

Maybe it's just the way it's written, but that post is easily interpreted as being astoundingly self-centred! Perhaps you mean 'I'm not particularly worried about the impact of the virus on me or my wife...'?

I also think the complacency of the "I'll be alright, Jack" perspective may also come with its own risks, eg even if one is personally not susceptible to the direct health impacts of Covid-19, one still has the potential to contribute to its spread.

It's just the way it's written. I don't have any of the risk factors for dying but yes I could spread which is partly why I have stocked my cupboards in order to isolate as need be.

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#2431596 3-Mar-2020 09:57

Did anyone see the numbers stuff were reporting this morning? These seem way off. I thought deaths world wide were at 3,000?

Outside China, a total of 8739 cases of Covid-19 have been reported to WHO from 61 countries, with 127 deaths.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/119957218/coronavirus-cases-outside-of-china-nine-times-higher-we-are-in-uncharted-territory?

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