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surfisup1000:
Interesting that when petrol prices are going so high and forecasted to go even higher, and the government is making decade high surpluses, the government feels it is necessary to whack on new petrol taxes.
You know who to vote next election!
It's not that interesting: the fuel taxes are ring-fenced for transport. General surpluses have nothing to do with it. What is interesting is that an hour after the latest IPCC report was released, Jacinda Ardern was telling a press conference that fuel prices were too high, despite climate change being the nuclear free of our generation. Take a look at those photos of the Franz Josef glacier:
The oldest known photograph of the glacier, 1867:
What it looks like today:
I've never been there. Seems like there's not a lot left to see.
However, the tiny number of NZ motorists probably did not cause that....
If you use that logic, then I could argue that my income tax hardly contributes to the running of the country. Just 0.000013%. All the roads and hospitals and other public services we get ? I probably did not cause that.
May as well stop paying tax? And if I stop, then you may as well too. Infact why doesn't all of GZ stop paying tax, I mean, we're not making a difference right?
Soon we'd end up with not much of a country left.
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GV27:
Rikkitic:
I guess if I was being barrel-bombed in Syria I wouldn't worry too much about the cost of petrol in Holland. People here are always comparing us to Australia. The logic is the same. This is just a different comparison and it makes exactly the same amount of sense.
No, it really doesn't. Australia speaks the same language, is responsible for a lot of our car culture and is also an island thousands of kms away from main markets. It's far more reasonable to discuss Australia as a similar market and compare prices than it is to compare us to a country in a central part of the EU.
Aus funds more roading infrastructure out of consolidated revenue, has some whoppingly expensive toll roads in cities, use speeding fines etc as "revenue gathering" at a cost per ticket that would cause riots in NZ, has lower GST and doesn't fund personal injury insurance / ACC through levies on fuel/RUC.
So even then it's so hard to make fair comparisons that it's not worth the effort, IMO.
You get an idea of the relative % of tax per litre from this chart I posted earlier - Aus is pretty low.
Our price per litre less tax is quite high, apart from getting the crude oil here, there's only one refinery so local distribution costs are probably quite high and there's less competition - but that's still only a few cents per litre more than say Aus.
Fred99:
GV27:
Rikkitic:
I guess if I was being barrel-bombed in Syria I wouldn't worry too much about the cost of petrol in Holland. People here are always comparing us to Australia. The logic is the same. This is just a different comparison and it makes exactly the same amount of sense.
No, it really doesn't. Australia speaks the same language, is responsible for a lot of our car culture and is also an island thousands of kms away from main markets. It's far more reasonable to discuss Australia as a similar market and compare prices than it is to compare us to a country in a central part of the EU.
Aus funds more roading infrastructure out of consolidated revenue, has some whoppingly expensive toll roads in cities, use speeding fines etc as "revenue gathering" at a cost per ticket that would cause riots in NZ, has lower GST and doesn't fund personal injury insurance / ACC through levies on fuel/RUC.
So even then it's so hard to make fair comparisons that it's not worth the effort, IMO.
You get an idea of the relative % of tax per litre from this chart I posted earlier - Aus is pretty low.
Our price per litre less tax is quite high, apart from getting the crude oil here, there's only one refinery so local distribution costs are probably quite high and there's less competition - but that's still only a few cents per litre more than say Aus.
I didn't say it was an exact match, just a hell of a lot more relevant than Holland. And especially when people are saying "Oh well, IT COULD BE WORSE" like it should instantly dismisses any concern about expensive fuel is here and how that impacts on people.
I mean, we're all going to die anyway, right? Why spend money on healthcare?
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