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#1184490 27-Nov-2014 22:19

ah the joys of NOT owning a car :P

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#1184492 27-Nov-2014 22:19

joker97: i am so going to envy those with radar cruise control!

ie set it to 99.5 and it will slow down when there is a car ahead ...

otherwise it will be difficult to maintain 99.5 with my rubbery CVT transmission

KiwiNZ's answer to this, is to drive at 15Kmph so you never get near it.

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#1184494 27-Nov-2014 22:19

then i might as well walk

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#1184495 27-Nov-2014 22:20

(i could say cycle but that is a death wish)

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#1184499 27-Nov-2014 22:28

So meh... The whole article seems to be based on the quotes "Anything over the limit is speeding and anyone speeding can expect to be pulled over" and "Police officers have the discretion to stop and ticket people driving at any speed over the limit every day of the year," So what's new? It's the law as it always has been. Nothing is changing, it's just a poorly worded pre-christmas safety message being turned in to some ad clicks.

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#1184507 27-Nov-2014 22:40

on one hand you have the police saying that going 1km over the limit is dangerous and could kill you, and then the goverment saying that some roads should be 110 km as a safe speed and make traffic run smoothly, talk about contradictory messages .

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#1184509 27-Nov-2014 22:44

vexxxboy: on one hand you have the police saying that going 1km over the limit is dangerous and could kill you, and then the goverment saying that some roads should be 110 km as a safe speed and make traffic run smoothly, talk about contradictory messages .

Not that I agree with 1KM over the limit tolerance, but this isn't contradictory. If the Govt decides in consultation with the police that 110 is ok on some roads, the police are saying on those roads, 111 isn't safe and you will ticketed to help you stay within the limits.

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#1184511 27-Nov-2014 22:47

I'd rather see a zero alcohol limit than a 1km speed tolerance.

Assuming my GPS is more accurate than my speedometer, my speedo measures around 4km slow anyway so I just stick to the limit and I know that I come under it slightly.

It's hard to know what the correct thing to do is because I see some shocking driving here almost every day.

In most EU countries you would never pass a test learning from your parents - professional instruction of 20+ hours is regarded as essential. I would like to see that here but all you hear is people bleating about how they are too poor to afford it - something I regard as irrelevant.

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#1184524 27-Nov-2014 22:53

joker97: (i could say cycle but that is a death wish)

With you there! Cyclists are temporary Kiwis. As for the tolerance, it's 100% BS and changes nothing for me. It's the usual annual media scare tactic. Police have free will, common sense and in most cases aren't total dicks. If a cop sees an R32 with unpainted doors no muffler, springs or broken tail lights...Chances are he is going to nab you for doing 101KM/h. If you are driving a car without a record in good shape, you shouldn't have a problem. It matters!

Real safety advice:

- Plan your trip if you don't know where you are going. It's important and almost always skipped.
- Pay attention! Plebs are everywhere.
- Don't cut corners
- Indicate properly
- Check your vehicle including pressures, electronics, seat belts and seats...etc before long trips
- Take short breaks and stay hydrated during the long trip.
- Pay even more attention.

I've followed the above for years and found all the accidents family members have had have been while they were lost or distracted trying to find their way somewhere. A friend of mine slammed in to another car just recently in a car park at 5KM/h caving the door of some foreigner's Mazda Demio in because he was looking for Albany Cinema signage. Speed was not a factor...He was distracted because he drove up from Hamilton to a strange place and didn't plan his trip properly, missed a a motorway exit, found the wrong car park and slammed in to another car that would not have been there if he planned everything properly.

His free movie tickets he won on Facebook ended up costing him $1200 dollars in excess.

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#1184526 27-Nov-2014 22:54

Geektastic: I'd rather see a zero alcohol limit than a 1km speed tolerance.

Assuming my GPS is more accurate than my speedometer, my speedo measures around 4km slow anyway so I just stick to the limit and I know that I come under it slightly.

It's hard to know what the correct thing to do is because I see some shocking driving here almost every day.

In most EU countries you would never pass a test learning from your parents - professional instruction of 20+ hours is regarded as essential. I would like to see that here but all you hear is people bleating about how they are too poor to afford it - something I regard as irrelevant.

Agree (mostly)...

VERY few speedo's overread, the Warrant "10%" margin of accuracy is usually applied to UNDERreading speedos. I've actually never owned or driven a car which overread compared to the fixed roadside warning signs, though almost every one has underread by at least 3-5km/h...

Zero Alcohol is a much better method to improve safety, and really only comes into effect if they do a roadside blitz, or you are driving erratically enough to be pulled over, so shouldn't really increase man hours either.

I passed (in South Africa) by learning from my parents, and (nearly 20 years later) just redid the 'full' drivers to get my 'P' endorsement without any issue other than a reread of the local code (required for the code2 learners anyway).

If the test is strict enough, and they did just beef up the 'restricted' test anyway, who teaches you is not the issue, but how competent you are IS.

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#1184529 27-Nov-2014 23:07

PhantomNVD:
Agree (mostly)...

VERY few speedo's overread, the Warrant "10%" margin of accuracy is usually applied to UNDERreading speedos. I've actually never owned or driven a car which overread compared to the fixed roadside warning signs, though almost every one has underread by at least 3-5km/h...

Zero Alcohol is a much better method to improve safety, and really only comes into effect if they do a roadside blitz, or you are driving erratically enough to be pulled over, so shouldn't really increase man hours either.

I passed (in South Africa) by learning from my parents, and (nearly 20 years later) just redid the 'full' drivers to get my 'P' endorsement without any issue other than a reread of the local code (required for the code2 learners anyway).

If the test is strict enough, and they did just beef up the 'restricted' test anyway, who teaches you is not the issue, but how competent you are IS.

Mine reads over (aftermarket wheels). But within 10% so it passes a WoF.

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#1184547 27-Nov-2014 23:37

Problem is that it doesn't matter how tough the restricted test is. As there are still lots of drivers who have held their licences for decades. Yet the only test they have ever done is when they first got it. My Mum is a good example of this. In her teens, did the theory and practical on the same day. Practical test was just taking a traffic officer for a quick drive in her Morris Minor. She is now in her 60s yet has not needed to do another driving test. She has taught me, my sisters, and probably lots of other people how to drive also. Myself - I had to do the learner, restricted, full, tests. As well as a defensive driving course - which was just 4x 1 hour classroom sessions. Got me 6 months off my restricted licence time. Passed the full licence test at 16.5 years old. Remember thinking then "Won't have to do another driving test for at least 50 years".

What needs to change - mandatory practical driving tests every 10 years. Much lower alcohol limit - the new limits about to come into force are still too high. Enforcement of things like proper use of indicators. Mandatory safety standards for brand new cars. - It is complete stupidity that there are standards for used imports but not new cars. Considering you can still buy brand new vans with no airbags, no ABS brakes, and a 1 star crash safety rating. http://rightcar.govt.nz/vehicle-detail.html?q=32770&bc=1|28||&Make=Mitsubishi&Model=MITSUBISHI-L300&years=2013-
http://www.mmnz.co.nz/l300/But the govt won't do any of those things because they don't want to annoy the baby boomer's and big business. As the Govt gets alot of money from speeding tickets and Alcohol taxes. And companies don't want to spend a little extra on safer vehicles. As they don't have to pay when their staff get killed or disabled for life while driving company vehicles. Far easier just to keep ACC levies high to compensate.

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#1184568 28-Nov-2014 01:40

Ugh,
I'm too tired to rant about this.
I'll just say if the speed limit was about safety it would be about 35 km/h.

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#1184574 28-Nov-2014 06:41

I am all for this, especially if they open up some of the better roads to 110km/h.

Quite frankly I used to drive upto the threshold i.e. 110km/h on the motorway, why? because I could. I don't any longer as 110km/h is actually quite an inefficient speed to travel at, 100km/h is fast enough and efficient enough, although for efficiency 85-90km/h seems to be the real sweet spot.

As for the comments of where speedo's read mine reads around 104 when the GPS reads 100km/h there wouldn't be many unmodified cars that would over read.

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#1184600 28-Nov-2014 07:54

Lord knows where everyone got this 10% tolerance from a WoF from??? The ONLY requirement to pass a WoF is that "The speedometer must be in good working order and operate while the vehicle is moving forward"

In reality that means the testing officer checks the needles moves when driving the vehicle forward for few meters over the pit or while doing the brake test

I agree with a previous poster...this has been picked up and blown all out of proportion by our sensationalist media

The police have always been able to stop you and issue tickets the moment you go over the posted speed limit (in some circumstances they can actually ticket you for driving too fast while under the legal limit)

Most don't worry about minor speed indiscretions provided it is not a safety risk (i.e crap weather, past a school etc)

Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation

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