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#1273166 30-Mar-2015 08:36

KiwiNZ: What purpose is the SUV required for.?
Off road use? If so to what extent?
Is AMD, or 4WD needed?
Low ratio and locking centre locking differential?
Towing, is this a requirement? If so what is being towed., weight etc? Is a full ladder chassis required?
Is a third round of seats required and what are the cargo requirements?

Extreme mud plugging
primarily off road
4wd crucial
low range plus locking centre differential required
400g towing weight
full ladder chassis imperative
no need for 3rd row seats
minimal cargo

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#1273176 30-Mar-2015 09:01

Regs: I think Kia has some new units coming out soon - may be worth a look, I like what they are doing.

Kia have just completed development of a dual clutch transmission and some small efficient turbo charged engines, as well as recruiting an ex-BMW engineer to join their existing ex-Audi chief designer so they have some really exciting stuff in the pipeline. Unfortunately we are unlikely to see a new Sportage with this technology until well into next year.

I have a Rio which I'm keen to upgrade to a Sportage but the current one is getting too dated. If I really needed something now I'd go for the CX-5, but fortunately I can wait.

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#1273189 30-Mar-2015 09:21

cx-3 is based on mazda 2 so it may be too tight for some

the 2015 cx-5 had some improvement cabin wise, most notable is probably the reduction in road noise (which was on par with say xtrail)

cx-5 diesel has great pulling power but issues with regen and oil dilution had huge issues in OZ (not sure about NZ). the 2.5 petrol is decent.

test drive them all, multiple times, on different roads, take as much time as you/they need. at the end of the day, they have to be happy with the car for quite some time.

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#1273194 30-Mar-2015 09:41

hangon: cx-5 diesel has great pulling power but issues with regen and oil dilution had huge issues in OZ (not sure about NZ).

Can you expand on this please? (I've the same engine in my car so it would be good to know of any potential problems). Thanks!

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#1273253 30-Mar-2015 10:47

jonathan18:
hangon: cx-5 diesel has great pulling power but issues with regen and oil dilution had huge issues in OZ (not sure about NZ).

Can you expand on this please? (I've the same engine in my car so it would be good to know of any potential problems). Thanks!

6 parts of discussions on whirlpool, ton of posts to trough through

basically it was the diesel not suitable for short trips, regen kicks in more often causing oil to dilute and level rise above x

it doesn't happen to everyone and some problem go away after oil changing etc, but a few had their engine oor major parts replaced under warranty. bunch of people would switch from diesel to the 2.5 for peace of mind, even if they loved the torque on the diesel

one such post i could find in a hurry.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2040594&p=55

In my case I had the oil changed, the PCM update and a shorter dip stick installed at approx. 18,000kms, after the oil level greatly exceeded the twist in the dip stick (new x mark) after just 2500Kms. Before the 20,000km service I was already a third of the way to the 'new' X mark after just 2,000km.

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#1273293 30-Mar-2015 11:29

hangon:
jonathan18:
hangon: cx-5 diesel has great pulling power but issues with regen and oil dilution had huge issues in OZ (not sure about NZ).

Can you expand on this please? (I've the same engine in my car so it would be good to know of any potential problems). Thanks!

6 parts of discussions on whirlpool, ton of posts to trough through

basically it was the diesel not suitable for short trips, regen kicks in more often causing oil to dilute and level rise above x

it doesn't happen to everyone and some problem go away after oil changing etc, but a few had their engine oor major parts replaced under warranty. bunch of people would switch from diesel to the 2.5 for peace of mind, even if they loved the torque on the diesel

one such post i could find in a hurry.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2040594&p=55
In my case I had the oil changed, the PCM update and a shorter dip stick installed at approx. 18,000kms, after the oil level greatly exceeded the twist in the dip stick (new x mark) after just 2500Kms. Before the 20,000km service I was already a third of the way to the 'new' X mark after just 2,000km. ...

(Sorry for this being off-topic, but it may help deterrmine if a diesel's the right choice!)

Thanks - had a feeling it may have been related to this.

I noticed my car (a diesel 6) was frequently going into periods of high fuel usage (initially I noticed iStop switched off, then saw the fuel usage at the time); I ended up deducing it was the particulate filter burn-off happening, and also read this was more common for those making short trips (which I often am, given I live in a small city). I take it this is the "regen" you're talking about?

Had I known this beforehand - including what I think should be a responsiblity of Mazda dealerships to warn people as to whether a diesel is suitable for their usage - I'd not have bought the diesel, but now I have to live with it.

On a practical level, can you advise what should I be alert for and/or have the dealer check at its next service? (I'm still within the warranty period). I'm not mechanically minded, and had hoped I'd be able to rely on the 6-month services for any issues to be picked up and sorted. Thanks!

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#1273304 30-Mar-2015 11:38

what is the cause of the fuel dilution?

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#1273323 30-Mar-2015 11:45

(Sorry for this being off-topic, but it may help deterrmine if a diesel's the right choice!)

Thanks - had a feeling it may have been related to this.

I noticed my car (a diesel 6) was frequently going into periods of high fuel usage (initially I noticed iStop switched off, then saw the fuel usage at the time); I ended up deducing it was the particulate filter burn-off happening, and also read this was more common for those making short trips (which I often am, given I live in a small city). I take it this is the "regen" you're talking about?

Had I known this beforehand - including what I think should be a responsiblity of Mazda dealerships to warn people as to whether a diesel is suitable for their usage - I'd not have bought the diesel, but now I have to live with it.

On a practical level, can you advise what should I be alert for and/or have the dealer check at its next service? (I'm still within the warranty period). I'm not mechanically minded, and had hoped I'd be able to rely on the 6-month services for any issues to be picked up and sorted. Thanks!

I don't think it's entirely off topic as OP may need to be aware of such issues when choosing a diesel SUV - albeit not every diesel SUV does PDF regen

What you observed is what I was referring to

Just keep checking your oil level - it doesn't happen to everyone, as long as the oil level is stable and doesn't quickly rise above x mark (after oil changes) you should be fine. Rising oil level would suggest the oil gets diluted and/or contaminated and could cause serious consequences (not uncommon with some European diesels)

Some posters on whirlpool recommended doing long stretch of driving frequently, which often isn't possible for city dwellers.

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#1273327 30-Mar-2015 11:51

joker97: what is the cause of the fuel dilution?

unburnt fuel from the chamber, from back of my head.

search diesel oil dilution, and this would come up first page (for me)

http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/q-and-a/mazda-cx-5-diesel-oil-dilution-7655

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#1273361 30-Mar-2015 12:36

hangon: I don't think it's entirely off topic as OP may need to be aware of such issues when choosing a diesel SUV - albeit not every diesel SUV does PDF regen

What you observed is what I was referring to

Just keep checking your oil level - it doesn't happen to everyone, as long as the oil level is stable and doesn't quickly rise above x mark (after oil changes) you should be fine. Rising oil level would suggest the oil gets diluted and/or contaminated and could cause serious consequences (not uncommon with some European diesels)

Some posters on whirlpool recommended doing long stretch of driving frequently, which often isn't possible for city dwellers.

Thanks for the advice - will check the oil level, as long as I can find the dipstick!

I wonder if those with problems have not let the process complete properly, ie have continued city driving (slow speeds / stopping frequently / short trips) while the regeneration process is trying to do its thing?

I'm good about taking the car for a decent spin on the open road once it's clear it's doing this regeneration thing - apparently the car needs to be doing 80km/hr for the process to occur properly. It's a hassle but I'm not going to take the risk of any damage from not doing so, plus of course it continues to burn through large amounts of fuel while it attempts to complete the process.

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#1273366 30-Mar-2015 12:45

jonathan18:
I wonder if those with problems have not let the process complete properly, ie have continued city driving (slow speeds / stopping frequently / short trips) while the regeneration process is trying to do its thing?

I'm good about taking the car for a decent spin on the open road once it's clear it's doing this regeneration thing - apparently the car needs to be doing 80km/hr for the process to occur properly. It's a hassle but I'm not going to take the risk of any damage from not doing so, plus of course it continues to burn through large amounts of fuel while it attempts to complete the process.

from back of my head that's quite likely - some users reported unusual frequent regen when driving short trips.

but the problem was not limited to people driving short trips only, which probably only made it worse/more noticeable.

back to topic - ask questions when picking a diesel. and if high driving position/awd is not a must, seriously consider a hatch.

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#1274001 31-Mar-2015 10:05

I don't think anyone has mentioned the Misti Outlander. Comparable to the CX-5 and RAV-4. I know a few people with outlanders who are very happy. I've driven a couple myself and they are nice vehicles.

If a diesel engine is desired (e.g. frequent towing) the outlander has a very nice one. Mitsi have an excellent pedigree in building diesel engines.

Generally if you go for diesel 4WD you get a traditional auto transmission, not a CVT.

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#1274065 31-Mar-2015 10:26

MikeAqua: I don't think anyone has mentioned the Misti Outlander. Comparable to the CX-5 and RAV-4. I know a few people with outlanders who are very happy. I've driven a couple myself and they are nice vehicles.

If a diesel engine is desired (e.g. frequent towing) the outlander has a very nice one. Mitsi have an excellent pedigree in building diesel engines.

Generally if you go for diesel 4WD you get a traditional auto transmission, not a CVT.

I love my 2011 Outlander (I have the V6 VR auto) and they are really well priced second hand, but I believe the CX-5 has a nicer interior is quieter, though significantly more expensive.

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#1274077 31-Mar-2015 10:34

Has anyone mentioned the new Nissan Qashqai?
I've read good things, but as yet have not taken one for a drive.
There's also the next size up in the new X-Trail if you need 7 seats.

My experiences with Nissans have all been fairly positive, so I wouldn't rule them out.

http://www.nissan.co.nz/passenger/2014-qashqai/

http://www.nissan.co.nz/suv/2014-xtrail/

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#1274102 31-Mar-2015 10:57

qashiqai is not as composed on the road as xtrail or cx5, fwd only, essentially a higher sitting hatch. hated the foot operated ebrake on xtrail.

the glasses on the nissan seems quite thin... overall a bit noisy especially with moonroof on qashiqai ti. bsm only available on ti trim, 7 seats only available in st trim (xtrail). the surround cam on nissan is neat, but could use higher res. pricing is a bit high but they do have 1% finance if that suits you. my 2 cents.

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