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  #1280510 10-Apr-2015 14:36
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I meant for polishing up the UV clouded headlights. I do mine about every 3-4 months.



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  #1280514 10-Apr-2015 14:44
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Wade: then tried to 'interpret' them according to his viewpoint

When I was a student, I had an old car made in the 80s. It failed due to the windscreen washer pump not working. He had the regulations right there in front of him. "Cars manufactured on or after 1992 must have a working wash and wipe system. Cars manufactured before 1992 must have a working wipe system." Yet it took a few minutes of arguing, including him getting one of the other staff to take a look, before he actually accepted the printed rules!

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  #1280520 10-Apr-2015 14:53
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If they are finally actually enfocing the rules about crappy JDM cars that come over with junk HID kits in them then great. Should have been picked up at compliance time but guess they were just too slack to look.




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  #1280573 10-Apr-2015 15:36
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heylinb4nz: So the Hamilton WOF Station failed the car stating the park, reverse and plate lights which were LED were not substantially white.

They even went on to incorrectly quote Kelvin colour ratings "with their eye meter" (which arent even mention in WOF code) saying they needed to be closer to 4300K when in fact they were about 6300k also saying that no one makes a complying white LED and they are all blue tinged. FYI daylight is 4800K and my lights are actually classed as pure white and were visible closer to 5800-6000k.


daylight is actually 6500k.

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  #1280576 10-Apr-2015 15:40
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lxsw20:
Athlonite:
lxsw20:
Athlonite: Same problem with HID upgrade kits aswell passed for 3 years then all of a sudden nope sorry not allowed WTF 


Nor should they be. If you don't have the correct lens for an HID they blind traffic coming the other way. 


Bollocks they do I had them in my car for 3 years (and passed 6 WOFs with them in) never got flashed because someone thought my lights were on hi beam once never failed a WOF until last year when regs changed they wanted to say they're to bright well they would be that if I had gone with the 70W option but these were the standard 35W ones previously I had 90/100W bulbs installed and the light given off by the HID's was much better in all weather conditions so making driving at night safer....
 


It doesn't matter how many times you found a slack WOF inspector. The VIRM is very clear they are not legal.

https://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/in-service-wof-and-cof/general/lighting/headlamps

A high-intensity discharge (HID or Xenon HID) conversion kit consists of an HID bulb with a high voltage power output or ‘ballast’ which fits into the original headlamp unit in place of the original bulb with no change to the headlamp lens, reflector or housing. It is illegal to fit an HID conversion kit to a vehicle as it brings the headlamp out of standards compliance by producing poor beam patterns and light that is far too bright to be safe. The bulbs can also produce light that is noticeably blue and not the required substantially white or amber colour. Vehicle and headlamp manufacturers do not permit this modification, and these kits cannot be LVV certified. It is permitted to replace a complete halogen headlamp unit with a complete HID headlamp unit.


that has only become the rule since last year and my car is from 92 so good luck in getting HID compatible headlight housings for it and at 6500K they were substantially white the 8000k ones do have a blueish hue yes but mine didn't even the VTNZ guy was dumbfounded when they changed the VIRM knowing I'd had them for 3 years previously all they needed to do was ban the use of 7000K or above HID bulbs the 90/100W xenons I have are 6500K and put out the same colour light ...

Save you arguments I've been there and done that including placing a formal complaint with the NZTA as there has been no testing done before the ruling was made 

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  #1280579 10-Apr-2015 15:46
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That specific note 8 about HID's goes back to at least 2011 and I can trace post on NZHondas going back to 2008 saying they are not legal so I don't know where you're getting it only became law last year. 

If they don't make HID housings for your car then you simply can't have HIDs.

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  #1280580 10-Apr-2015 15:48
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heylinb4nz: So the Hamilton WOF Station failed the car stating the park, reverse and plate lights which were LED were not substantially white.

They even went on to incorrectly quote Kelvin colour ratings "with their eye meter" (which arent even mention in WOF code) saying they needed to be closer to 4300K when in fact they were about 6300k also saying that no one makes a complying white LED and they are all blue tinged. FYI daylight is 4800K and my lights are actually classed as pure white and were visible closer to 5800-6000k.


daylight is actually 6500k.

wink


Even better :) means my lights are near bang on.

I believe it varies at altitude and also level on horizon, and cloud cover level as well, but K rating aside the law says "White" which to me would encompass all whites from warm to cool.

How the hell someone would confuse a pure or cool white led on a car as a police vehicle is beyond me.


Next time I might just fit these for a joke :)

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/16W-Wired-Strobe-DRL-Car-Grille-Warning-Light-Fireman-Caution-pilot-Lights-Parking-Running-Lights-Car/32280559144.html




 
 
 

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  #1280620 10-Apr-2015 17:30
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colour temp k value was determined by heating a theoretical perfect black body to different temperatures and comparing the results.

6500k was found to correspond to daylight on an overcast day or a european noon, depending on which text you follow.

all of this dates back to the cie 1931 color space chromaticity diagram.

which was the first work showing the links between colours in the electromagnetic visible spectrum and colour perception in human vision.

fascinating theory that underpins everything about seeing colors.

:)

most of the folks in wof stations wouldn't know a kelvin if it bit them in the ass.



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  #1280808 10-Apr-2015 21:55
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This is why I pay get my mechanic to do my WOF.  My girlfriend swears by VTNZ, but I trust my mechanic far more.  He ensures the car is safe in every aspect, but ignores the silly bureaucracy that causes the issues you've experienced.

I've got blu-ish white LED reversing lights, they've never been a problem.

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  #1280858 11-Apr-2015 07:08
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heylinb4nz:
ilovemusic:
heylinb4nz: So the Hamilton WOF Station failed the car stating the park, reverse and plate lights which were LED were not substantially white.

They even went on to incorrectly quote Kelvin colour ratings "with their eye meter" (which arent even mention in WOF code) saying they needed to be closer to 4300K when in fact they were about 6300k also saying that no one makes a complying white LED and they are all blue tinged. FYI daylight is 4800K and my lights are actually classed as pure white and were visible closer to 5800-6000k.


daylight is actually 6500k.

wink


Even better :) means my lights are near bang on.

I believe it varies at altitude and also level on horizon, and cloud cover level as well, but K rating aside the law says "White" which to me would encompass all whites from warm to cool.

How the hell someone would confuse a pure or cool white led on a car as a police vehicle is beyond me.


Next time I might just fit these for a joke :)

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/16W-Wired-Strobe-DRL-Car-Grille-Warning-Light-Fireman-Caution-pilot-Lights-Parking-Running-Lights-Car/32280559144.html





SOOO tempted to fit those to the commodore, But that would be bad.

Perhaps if I cut the cables off them and position them in the windows for all those peeking in for the lights to see if I am a cop.

Nah, Way too lazy for that.

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  #1280864 11-Apr-2015 07:51
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when I was a student, and they failed my car for stupid things, I just took it back in a few days and they would pass it. I am serious. Dedicated WOF inspectors are as good as lolly packers. Next time take it to a real mechanic.

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  #1280892 11-Apr-2015 09:39
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Athlonite: previously I had 90/100W bulbs installed and the light given off by the HID's was much better in all weather conditions so making driving at night safer....;


AFAIK 65W is the limit for standard bulbs so the 90/100s should also have been failed for excess output.

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  #1280900 11-Apr-2015 09:44
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Much better for who tho? HID in bad reflectors suck for other road users. Way too much light in the face for a dipped beam.




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  #1281014 11-Apr-2015 12:18
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richms: Much better for who tho? HID in bad reflectors suck for other road users. Way too much light in the face for a dipped beam.



Only if you use the high wattage ones the 70W ones I'd never use unless it was for strictly offroad use,  those 35W ones put out the same amount of light as a standard 50/65W bulb also as a security guard I may need to be able to light up an area for extended periods sometimes and 35W bulbs don't drain the Battery as quickly also changing from LO to HI beam they are still only 35W 

And you think these cause issues with oncoming drivers then how do you feel about new vehicles with HID systems I get constantly dazzled by new vehicles with them specially the new holden crew utes and the like sometimes it's so bad I can nearly completely loose sight of the road in-front of me mine on the otherhand only light the road in-front and to the left of me 

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  #1281032 11-Apr-2015 12:24
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Its not the brightness, its where it goes. Crap riceburner cars with HID in a reflector made for tungstan lamps have way too much high up.

With projector lamps being a thing, I am suprised that there are still cars made with cruddy dual filiment reflector lamps in them. Horrid things have way too much high up light on dip because the high beam is controlled by the same reflector.




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