Mrs decided on an import Mk5 Golf, how to avoid a bung auto?

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#1680074 30-Nov-2016 13:25

TimA:
Good little cars. Lots of little problems and things that break.
DO NOT BUY A DSG. They are a dry clutch and wear out very fast. $1500 of parts and then add the labor.
Their interiors fall to bits, Head linings detach. Window switches and door locks are a weekly replacement. Even the new parts fail often.
Avoid the 2.0TFSI engine or GTI engine. They shred the intake cam as they are not hard enough and wear through the high pressure fuel pump cam follower and thats a few grand..
The automatic transmissions go through valve bodys like they are free, But they cost 3k...

How i know this? I was the guy who quoted your parts then sold them to you for VW.

And guys.. Really.. Reading up above you all still have the mis conception that Euro's have more expensive parts.
Depends on the parts and brand obliviously but across the board from working at VW most of their parts retail price was better than Toyota across the road. Part for part. This is due to the Giltraps buying a massive warehouse and getting heaps of stock. They produce these parts of a massive scale.

Is this true for the Mk7 GTIs too?

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#1680082 30-Nov-2016 13:41

Probably too early to know?

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#1680103 30-Nov-2016 14:10

Any VW DSG dry clutch gear box will wear out stupidly fast. The worst thing is when people hold the car on hills with the throttle like what you can do in an automatic car. This is actually riding the clutch system and burning it out.

As for the MK7 the only common issue i noticed was ABS pump failures in the Golf R and the middle console "garage door slider" bit break in half and or collapse on themselves and jam in place.

The MK7 has the horrid 1.4 Turbo engine. In the MK5 and MK6 these had enormous amounts of issues just in the engine. It should have been a global recall. Common failures were the intake flap to switch from the super charger to the turbo. Turbo failures, PISTON RINGS AND PISTONS MELTING. Yeah... They all do it. Especially the Japs.
The way to avoid the 1.4 is by not buying it or getting one with dealership servicing only at every interval and not late.

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#1680109 30-Nov-2016 14:17

When buying a VW also. Please make sure that the "Campaigns" have been completed. These are manufacture recalls that are a must. If you see a car and its missing those recalls avoid it.

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#1680112 30-Nov-2016 14:28

TimA:

Any VW DSG dry clutch gear box will wear out stupidly fast. The worst thing is when people hold the car on hills with the throttle like what you can do in an automatic car. This is actually riding the clutch system and burning it out.

As for the MK7 the only common issue i noticed was ABS pump failures in the Golf R and the middle console "garage door slider" bit break in half and or collapse on themselves and jam in place.

The MK7 has the horrid 1.4 Turbo engine. In the MK5 and MK6 these had enormous amounts of issues just in the engine. It should have been a global recall. Common failures were the intake flap to switch from the super charger to the turbo. Turbo failures, PISTON RINGS AND PISTONS MELTING. Yeah... They all do it. Especially the Japs.
The way to avoid the 1.4 is by not buying it or getting one with dealership servicing only at every interval and not late.

Can you explain how on time servicing prevents these issues?

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#1680118 30-Nov-2016 14:42

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TimA:

Any VW DSG dry clutch gear box will wear out stupidly fast. The worst thing is when people hold the car on hills with the throttle like what you can do in an automatic car. This is actually riding the clutch system and burning it out.

As for the MK7 the only common issue i noticed was ABS pump failures in the Golf R and the middle console "garage door slider" bit break in half and or collapse on themselves and jam in place.

The MK7 has the horrid 1.4 Turbo engine. In the MK5 and MK6 these had enormous amounts of issues just in the engine. It should have been a global recall. Common failures were the intake flap to switch from the super charger to the turbo. Turbo failures, PISTON RINGS AND PISTONS MELTING. Yeah... They all do it. Especially the Japs.
The way to avoid the 1.4 is by not buying it or getting one with dealership servicing only at every interval and not late.

Can you explain how on time servicing prevents these issues?

All to do with the bearings inside the turbo. The thinner the oil gets with age and use the less effective it is at preventing wear on a part spinning at 100,000 RPM+. You could imagine it would wear the shaft quite quickly which then affects the tolerances and you will get a bit of play in the shaft and oil burning through the seals. Fast forward a year or two and you got a out of balance rattling turbo that burns heaps of oil.

The same for the piston rings they just wear out really fast and you lose all compression and power.
They also wear the rod bearings quickly.

I and mechanics i worked with put all this down to the oil service intervals. On modern engines apparently they have this long life oil! No its customer satisfaction so your not visiting the dealer every 10,000 but every 15,000.

When i had my Audi S4 i did the oil every 5000 kms and every previous owner with proof. It had 254,000KMS on all factory engine and turbos and they were still mint without play. NZ new, Dealership history from brand new. Go figure.

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#1680159 30-Nov-2016 16:01

TimA:
joker97:

TimA:

Any VW DSG dry clutch gear box will wear out stupidly fast. The worst thing is when people hold the car on hills with the throttle like what you can do in an automatic car. This is actually riding the clutch system and burning it out.

As for the MK7 the only common issue i noticed was ABS pump failures in the Golf R and the middle console "garage door slider" bit break in half and or collapse on themselves and jam in place.

The MK7 has the horrid 1.4 Turbo engine. In the MK5 and MK6 these had enormous amounts of issues just in the engine. It should have been a global recall. Common failures were the intake flap to switch from the super charger to the turbo. Turbo failures, PISTON RINGS AND PISTONS MELTING. Yeah... They all do it. Especially the Japs.
The way to avoid the 1.4 is by not buying it or getting one with dealership servicing only at every interval and not late.

Can you explain how on time servicing prevents these issues?

All to do with the bearings inside the turbo. The thinner the oil gets with age and use the less effective it is at preventing wear on a part spinning at 100,000 RPM+. You could imagine it would wear the shaft quite quickly which then affects the tolerances and you will get a bit of play in the shaft and oil burning through the seals. Fast forward a year or two and you got a out of balance rattling turbo that burns heaps of oil.

The same for the piston rings they just wear out really fast and you lose all compression and power.
They also wear the rod bearings quickly.

I and mechanics i worked with put all this down to the oil service intervals. On modern engines apparently they have this long life oil! No its customer satisfaction so your not visiting the dealer every 10,000 but every 15,000.

When i had my Audi S4 i did the oil every 5000 kms and every previous owner with proof. It had 254,000KMS on all factory engine and turbos and they were still mint without play. NZ new, Dealership history from brand new. Go figure.

I remember back in 1985 the Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo proudly printed on the steering wheel that the normal rpm of the turbo was 1800,000 rpm and max permissible was 180,000 rpm.

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#1680191 30-Nov-2016 17:11

hmm ... oil ...

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#1680206 30-Nov-2016 17:48

It should also noted that many Japanese cars also have trouble with their automatic gearboxes, especially CVT transmissions...

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#1680207 30-Nov-2016 17:52

AHitman:

It should also noted that many Japanese cars also have trouble with their automatic gearboxes, especially CVT transmissions...

thats generally the first generation ones though and a lot of the issues stem from people not servicing them properly or at the right intervals.

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#1682378 5-Dec-2016 11:15

TimA:

DONT BUY FROM

What about selected autos?

Of course a 150 pt check wont find a DSG problem, you would have to have not owned a car before to think this kind of thing.

I planned to take it to an auto specialist.

Tim I was told the DSG comes in two types, wet and dry clutch, dry being less reliable. Also the problems occurred when the wrong tranny fluid was used in some golfs. Thats just what Ive read a number of times, but could be rumours.

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#1682380 5-Dec-2016 11:17

TimA:

When buying a VW also. Please make sure that the "Campaigns" have been completed. These are manufacture recalls that are a must. If you see a car and its missing those recalls avoid it.

How do you tell? Ive never bought a car thats been recoiled. Is it just paper work or do they sticker the car? I know a LOT of Golf DSGs got recalled.

Edit: I see its the 6 speed thats a wet clutch DSG, not sure how long they were produced for.

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#1682384 5-Dec-2016 11:29

TeaLeaf:

TimA:

When buying a VW also. Please make sure that the "Campaigns" have been completed. These are manufacture recalls that are a must. If you see a car and its missing those recalls avoid it.

How do you tell? Ive never bought a car thats been recoiled. Is it just paper work or do they sticker the car? I know a LOT of Golf DSGs got recalled.

Edit: I see its the 6 speed thats a wet clutch DSG, not sure how long they were produced for.

They didnt recall the DSG, Just replaced clutches under goodwill warranty when they failed...
The service book at the front will have a section to put campaign stickers. You will find them there. Any Polo or golf should be chocka... Sadly..

The wet clutch is found in ALL .:R models and GTI. The give away is "6 speed"
IIRC they dont make a 7 speed wet clutch.

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#1682397 5-Dec-2016 11:43

TeaLeaf:

How do you tell? Ive never bought a car thats been recoiled. Is it just paper work or do they sticker the car? I know a LOT of Golf DSGs got recalled.

I think a dealer should have the record of whether or not a specific vehicle (vin/chassis number) has had that campaign completed.

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#1682437 5-Dec-2016 12:55

TimA:

TeaLeaf:

TimA:

When buying a VW also. Please make sure that the "Campaigns" have been completed. These are manufacture recalls that are a must. If you see a car and its missing those recalls avoid it.

How do you tell? Ive never bought a car thats been recoiled. Is it just paper work or do they sticker the car? I know a LOT of Golf DSGs got recalled.

Edit: I see its the 6 speed thats a wet clutch DSG, not sure how long they were produced for.

They didnt recall the DSG, Just replaced clutches under goodwill warranty when they failed...
The service book at the front will have a section to put campaign stickers. You will find them there. Any Polo or golf should be chocka... Sadly..

The wet clutch is found in ALL .:R models and GTI. The give away is "6 speed"
IIRC they dont make a 7 speed wet clutch.

There was also a "voluntary" recall on the 7 speed DSG, to swap out the original OEM synthetic trans oil for mineral based oil, as the synthetic oil was damaging insulation on wires causing short circuits / transmission failure.

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