Looking to buy new Hyundai SantaFe

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#2120840 6-Nov-2018 12:08

Alasta,

On dealers... here is a funny story, I went and asked dealer A and I was told they will drop 9k on Tucson and I went to dealer B who said no discount not possible and when I told them about dealer A's offer I was told they will drop 10k... go figure...

Now on Santa Fe dealer A will give 8% off and Dealer B said not possible as it is a new model. Having said I have not told them about Dealer A's offer yet!! Petrol Santa Fe is not available yet in the country so I am waiting for them to arrive and I will do the test drive and then I will talk to Dealer B.

Dealerships are very dodgy, you have to be very careful or you can loose lots of money

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#2120847 6-Nov-2018 12:25

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Roadtested, I meant a car/Brand which has been in the country for a while and there are 1000s of them on the roads and people has good informed opinions about them. Parts are easily available and comparatively cheap. Roughly this is what i think of when I am looking to purchase a car.

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#2120851 6-Nov-2018 12:52

ajaynabh:
Dealerships are very dodgy, you have to be very careful or you can loose lots of money

On this subject, I suggest you go on to YouTube and look up AutoExpertTV (John Cadogan). While a lot of his stuff is now extreme, his series on how to avoid getting fleeced by a car dealer is pretty good. Just be prepared for some colourful language.

Your new car is obviously more than just an appliance to you, but have you considered why you are going for an SUV? Particularly if you aren't going to tow. If you want something bigger, with a higher ride height combined with good interior volume for either passengers or cargo, then all power to you. But a sedan can be just as comfortable, but be cheaper to both buy and run.

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#2120852 6-Nov-2018 12:53

CX9 has really good write ups that I've seen, if I was in the market for a new family car, Id be looking at one.

Subarus are great cars long as you keep on top of the maintenance - theyre not that high up the stolen list these days as the security has made it harder to steal. Back in the 90's, the Legacy and WRX were pinched a lot but was generally joyriders.

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#2120866 6-Nov-2018 13:10

Fred99:

One proviso on the Outlander PHEV, tow capacity is only 750kg - a lightly loaded garden trailer.

I am interested in what would happen if you exceeded this by say 250KG?

Any ideas?

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#2120878 6-Nov-2018 14:11

Dingbatt:
ajaynabh:

Dealerships are very dodgy, you have to be very careful or you can loose lots of money

On this subject, I suggest you go on to YouTube and look up AutoExpertTV (John Cadogan). While a lot of his stuff is now extreme, his series on how to avoid getting fleeced by a car dealer is pretty good. Just be prepared for some colourful language.

Your new car is obviously more than just an appliance to you, but have you considered why you are going for an SUV? Particularly if you aren't going to tow. If you want something bigger, with a higher ride height combined with good interior volume for either passengers or cargo, then all power to you. But a sedan can be just as comfortable, but be cheaper to both buy and run.

You described it well in your post my reasons and I could not describe any better... So I it copied below.

(If you want something bigger, with a higher ride height combined with good interior volume for either passengers or cargo, then all power to you.)

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#2120883 6-Nov-2018 14:13

Some sort of compromise might be something like a cross over such as a Outback or All Track or similar. A Wagon with a higher ride height.

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#2120894 6-Nov-2018 14:48

Fred99:

FWIW, I think the Mazda MS6 was made when Ford had an interest in Mazda, that model used a notoriously unreliable Ford auto transmission - the "C4DE". So consider that transmission issue a Ford problem - rather than Mazda.

I'm not sure what you mean about "not road tested in NZ" if that's referring to the Kodiaq. It was NZ AA car of the year in 2017.

The Skoda Kodiaq offers all the pros of the Santa Fe at a considerably cheaper price and I actually think it's better specced (I own one so am not talking in conjecture)

A real 7 seater, loads of room, clever design features typical of the Skoda "Simply Clever" ideas. It's fuel efficient (I get 7.1l to 100km easily and less if I'm trying)

Kiwis seem to have a view of diesels and European cars based on 1980, things have changed a bit

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#2120914 6-Nov-2018 15:50

langers1972:

Kiwis seem to have a view of diesels and European cars based on 1980, things have changed a bit

I've been looking at a Skoda to replace my work car. The problem with diesels, is unless you need the torque, most are no cheaper to run than petrol given RUCS.

From my maths and my annual KMS, the same model needed to be 2L/100km more efficient than petrol version, which is quite possible. I think diesels tend to get closer to the manufacturer economy rating than petrol generally.

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#2121009 6-Nov-2018 18:23

@ajaynabh:
I will look at Mazda CX9. I had MS6 (1996) long time ago which suffered transmission problem and my friend had a same issue with his Mazda therefore I was put off by Mazda's. I do understand they are quite zippy and fun to drive but my previous experience has been great!

Subaru is not my type of car and they do bigger engines than I need and not as many gadgetory and features as Santa Fe. Also they are known to be fast cars and gets stolen quite a bit as I heard... Look, I could be wrong but that my impression

do you need 7 or 5 seater?

we bought Subaru recently. I really like the EyeSight. so much so if they come out with a 7 seater soon I will just buy 1 right away.

i have owned new hyundai, mitsi, ford and I must say Subaru AWD is the best.

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#2121187 6-Nov-2018 22:49

We have both petrol and diesel cars. None of them do especially high mileage because we have 3 cars between two people, so none of them get thrashed.

In fuel terms, the diesel Volvo V70 XC and the petrol Honda Jazz do about the same consumption-wise. The Volvo costs more in servicing once a year at the main dealer, tyres are at least twice the price per tyre and insurance etc will be higher. Fuel is less. It's a nice winter car though and great for the odd long jaunt - I drove to Auckland and it used less than 75% of a tank!

The Range Rover has dire consumption (17l/100 for short trips, as "low" as 13l/100 on long ones) but because I don't drive it that far, the actual dollar cost is not particularly much higher than people driving more economical cars for more kms. Servicing is not bad for regular annual stuff but if you need unforeseen things then you can get serious bill shock.

As far as the debate on petrol/diesel goes, it is hard not to sit on the fence. All my life until moving here, I would have said buy diesel - then the UK government, having spent some years schmoozing people to buy diesels, decided that they were the spawn of Satan and now punishes owners financially like there is no tomorrow. Here and now in NZ I would buy a diesel Santa Fe because I think you'd probably sell it more easily when you flip it. However...the Greens and their fellow travellers could up and punish you later. Who knows?

Would I buy a Santa Fe? No, at least not new. I think they are ridiculously expensive - one of the variants was approaching $90,000! That much dinaro gets you a lot of other cars in the gently used arena that are much better. I'd probably buy a 3.6 Subaru Outback.

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#2121231 7-Nov-2018 07:18

mudguard:

langers1972:

Kiwis seem to have a view of diesels and European cars based on 1980, things have changed a bit

I've been looking at a Skoda to replace my work car. The problem with diesels, is unless you need the torque, most are no cheaper to run than petrol given RUCS.

From my maths and my annual KMS, the same model needed to be 2L/100km more efficient than petrol version, which is quite possible. I think diesels tend to get closer to the manufacturer economy rating than petrol generally.

NZTA have a calculator for that.

https://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Our-Work/Documents/petrol-vs-diesel-calculator-2018.xls

From what ive seen the price is quite close depending on economy, but of course each use case is different.

My experience with Diesels is that the diesel can be driven harder and get close to its rated fuel consumption figures, whereas the petrol equivalent has to be babied along to get close to its quoted fuel consumption figures.

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#2121247 7-Nov-2018 08:29

ratsun81:

NZTA have a calculator for that.

https://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Our-Work/Documents/petrol-vs-diesel-calculator-2018.xls

From what ive seen the price is quite close depending on economy, but of course each use case is different.

My experience with Diesels is that the diesel can be driven harder and get close to its rated fuel consumption figures, whereas the petrol equivalent has to be babied along to get close to its quoted fuel consumption figures.

Yeah that's the calculator I've been using to help with choosing my next car. Has it been updated for the new RUC amounts?

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#2121256 7-Nov-2018 08:47

Definitely check resale values. The diesel will easily sell for more than the petrol version.

And also consider that there will be a lot more EVs available (both new and secondhand) when you will be selling. Which your Santa Fe will be competing against. Long distance towing is an application which won't see a suitable EV option appear for awhile. But you can already buy EVs today that are suitable for around town driving and longer trips that don't involve towing.

The petrol engine will probably be a direct injection engine. Meaning that the maintenance costs will be similar to a diesel engine.

Also consider a scenario where petrol vehicles have to pay RUC. This will have to happen eventually. Otherwise EVs will end up paying more road tax than petrol hybrids when the RUC exemption for electric vehicles ends.

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#2121352 7-Nov-2018 10:16

mudguard:

ratsun81:

NZTA have a calculator for that.

https://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Our-Work/Documents/petrol-vs-diesel-calculator-2018.xls

From what ive seen the price is quite close depending on economy, but of course each use case is different.

My experience with Diesels is that the diesel can be driven harder and get close to its rated fuel consumption figures, whereas the petrol equivalent has to be babied along to get close to its quoted fuel consumption figures.

Yeah that's the calculator I've been using to help with choosing my next car. Has it been updated for the new RUC amounts?

I wasn't aware that RUC had increased, Im not sure if the calculator has been updated with the new pricing....

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