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#1184907 28-Nov-2014 14:24

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#1184919 28-Nov-2014 14:42

networkn:
vexxxboy: on one hand you have the police saying that going 1km over the limit is dangerous and could kill you, and then the goverment saying that some roads should be 110 km as a safe speed and make traffic run smoothly, talk about contradictory messages .

Not that I agree with 1KM over the limit tolerance, but this isn't contradictory. If the Govt decides in consultation with the police that 110 is ok on some roads, the police are saying on those roads, 111 isn't safe and you will ticketed to help you stay within the limits.

it's contradictory in my eyes.

the same stretch of road, today the police is saying driving at 101 is dangers and gonna ticket you, tomorrow government says that road is safe to drive at 110

imho keeping eyes on the speedo every so often is much dangerous than driving a few k over limit occasionally

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#1185019 28-Nov-2014 16:37

kiwitrc: Check how many comments on the Stuff article about it http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/63594064/police-getting-tougher-on-speed-tolerance.html

I think the guy who quoted Douglas Bader nails it

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You do realize that Douglas Bader ended up with two tin legs ( and almost died) by crashing while carrying out unauthorized low level aerobatics don't you?

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#1185092 28-Nov-2014 19:04

PhantomNVD:
VERY few speedo's overread, the Warrant "10%" margin of accuracy is usually applied to UNDERreading speedos. I've actually never owned or driven a car which overread compared to the fixed roadside warning signs, though almost every one has underread by at least 3-5km/h...

you got that backwards.

overread = speedo higher than actual speed.

underread = speedo lower than actual speed.

most car speedos overread, with flash expensives cars being the worse; one late model bmw i drove showing 100km/h on the speedo was only doing 91...

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#1185128 28-Nov-2014 20:56

tdgeek: The only issue as I see it is not a tolerance for a tolerance sake, its the radar vs the speedometer and how variances will be handled. An idea is to place active speed reading meters on the road, not many, just enough to ensure drivers have the opportunity to test themselves. Ive seen a couple in ChCh.

There's a display on the straight by NIWA Evans Bay Wellington. What I notice is that in a stream of traffic all doing the same nominal speed, ie maintaining same relative positions, the display shows quite a variation for each car. The original "tolerance" was to stop focussing on the small variations. The idea that some cars in that stream could be ticketed would be ludicrous.

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#1185129 28-Nov-2014 20:56

I thought I saw at the end of one news that they'd reversed the decision, but I can't find d a reference to confirm it.

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#1185131 28-Nov-2014 21:01

Caught it on One News before heading out the door. Didn't catch why though.

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#1185148 28-Nov-2014 21:30

BigHammer: Caught it on One News before heading out the door. Didn't catch why though.

I thought they said public pressure.

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#1185153 28-Nov-2014 21:44

I think this is crazy. Sure car speedos may be under reading because the manufacturers set it up like that but I don't think most people know that so we are going to have people constantly looking at their speedos instead of paying attention to the road. Even if your only 1km/h over the limit you could be fined >

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11365666

If you are like me and do not agree with this police policy then please email the Police Minister Michael Woodhouse and ask him to express his concerns to the Police at their zero speed tolerance approach >

https://www.national.org.nz/team/mps/detail/michael.woodhouse

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#1185207 29-Nov-2014 00:31

davidcole:
BigHammer: Caught it on One News before heading out the door. Didn't catch why though.

I thought they said public pressure.

I thought they said it was still/always at 4km/h but the more the public is talking about it the more people become aware of their safety... Something like that.

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#1185252 29-Nov-2014 09:22

hangon:
networkn:
vexxxboy: on one hand you have the police saying that going 1km over the limit is dangerous and could kill you, and then the goverment saying that some roads should be 110 km as a safe speed and make traffic run smoothly, talk about contradictory messages .

Not that I agree with 1KM over the limit tolerance, but this isn't contradictory. If the Govt decides in consultation with the police that 110 is ok on some roads, the police are saying on those roads, 111 isn't safe and you will ticketed to help you stay within the limits.

it's contradictory in my eyes.

the same stretch of road, today the police is saying driving at 101 is dangers and gonna ticket you, tomorrow government says that road is safe to drive at 110

imho keeping eyes on the speedo every so often is much dangerous than driving a few k over limit occasionally

More a case of "we haven't yet sufficiently evaluated whether it would be safe to allow people to drive at 110 on these stretches so you're not allowed to drive at that speed as it could be dangerous".

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#1185328 29-Nov-2014 11:45

The speed limit is probably going to be the absolute hardest adjustment after our pending move to NZ.

With the legal speed limit in the UK being 70mph on motorways, and cops being very lenient where the first 10mph aren't effectively penalised, the average speed on UK motorways is well in excess of 130km/h. On a cheeky late night with little traffic it's absolutely not uncommon to drive between 140~150km/h. I do this on a weekly basis.

Getting to NZ speeds is going to feel like being in some kind of slow warp zone :D

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#1185337 29-Nov-2014 12:08

ScuL:

With the legal speed limit in the UK being 70mph on motorways, and cops being very lenient where the first 10mph aren't effectively penalised, the average speed on UK motorways is well in excess of 130km/h. On a cheeky late night with little traffic it's absolutely not uncommon to drive between 140~150km/h. I do this on a weekly basis.

Its the same here, re your numbers, except for the 70mph limit. There is a 10kph tolerance, was lowered to 4% last holiday period (Dec-Jan)

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#1185353 29-Nov-2014 12:40

KiwiNZ: Efforts to save lives get my support

you know ... i cannot understand how a 10km/hr speed limit saves any lives directly.

what the campaigning is doing is instilling speed awareness into less wealthy and also some law abiding citizens so they pay attention to their speed. and indirectly drawing attention to safety conscious citizens to think about road safety inc drink driving, driving to conditions, don't speed, don't take drugs, don't be fatigued, etc etc ...

the other unspoken effects could be OCD people like me driving the speedometer instead of looking at the road ahead, over conscious drivers going at 80 (or 35??) annoying one or two people behind who then attempts an overtake of 10 cars in one stretch ...

who knows

but then there are tourists just round the next bend ... watch out!

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#1185378 29-Nov-2014 13:24

ScuL: The speed limit is probably going to be the absolute hardest adjustment after our pending move to NZ.

With the legal speed limit in the UK being 70mph on motorways, and cops being very lenient where the first 10mph aren't effectively penalised, the average speed on UK motorways is well in excess of 130km/h. On a cheeky late night with little traffic it's absolutely not uncommon to drive between 140~150km/h. I do this on a weekly basis.

Getting to NZ speeds is going to feel like being in some kind of slow warp zone :D

Officially it's 10% +2mph, whatever the limit. Which is a much better way to do it. You CAN get ticketed at any point over that, but it's unlikely.

Kiwi drivers, and our poor roads (even the motorways) couldn't cope with 120km/h limits.

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