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#1525301 3-Apr-2016 18:52

BruceHamilton:

One of the reasons for the pre-orders is the loss of the US Govt subsidy of $7,500 once total Tesla production reaches 200,000 ( all models ). Tesla is expected to be close to 150,000 before Model 3 production starts. The subsidy declines to zero over the next 100,000 vehicles. I suspect some "pre-orders" may wish to sell their position in the queue for a premium.

I'd also note that the design of the constrained boot ( aka trunk ) access due to the glass roof has engendered quite a lot of negativity.

I haven't seen details / photos, but it'll have some extra boot space in the front like the S. But yeah - I don't think sacrificing either a deep sedan boot or proper hatch because of wanting the style feature glass roof was a great move. Likewise the gullwing doors of the X - a lot of complexity IMO for a feature that on balance probably has more disadvantages than advantages.

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#1525427 3-Apr-2016 22:31

Apparently the Netherlands' parliament voted to do everything possible to ban sales of fossil fuel vehicles by 2025.

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#1525538 4-Apr-2016 09:06

In 1994 one of my American friends was joking about Russia’s “planned economy”:

The man have paid in advance for “Lada” and when asked when his car will be delivered got a response:

- “In one year on the 1 of June”.

– “Fine”, he said and standing in the door exit asked:

- “1 June, what time – morning or afternoon?"

- “Why are you asking?”

-“The plumber is coming in the morning on that day, so I’ll be busy…”

It is time to return this joke back.

Thanks Musk for the opportunity to do that ....

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#1525546 4-Apr-2016 09:12

joker97: Apparently the Netherlands' parliament voted to do everything possible to ban sales of fossil fuel vehicles by 2025.

http://insideevs.com/netherlands-moves-to-allow-only-all-evs-by-2025-no-more-gas-diesel-sales/

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#1525548 4-Apr-2016 09:18

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I haven't seen details / photos, but it'll have some extra boot space in the front like the S. But yeah - I don't think sacrificing either a deep sedan boot or proper hatch because of wanting the style feature glass roof was a great move. Likewise the gullwing doors of the X - a lot of complexity IMO for a feature that on balance probably has more disadvantages than advantages.

It's all about style, luxury and power in the US auto market.

Good-looking cars sell - Americans don't want small utilitarian electric shopping baskets - which has been the perceived image of electric cars until now.

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#1525599 4-Apr-2016 10:18

The supercharge network is coming to NZ

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#1525665 4-Apr-2016 10:47

joker97: Apparently the Netherlands' parliament voted to do everything possible to ban sales of fossil fuel vehicles by 2025.

The words "to do everything possible" don't apply. They voted to no longer allow new sales of petrol or diesel cars from 2025.

However... this was only the lower house -- it still has to be agreed to by the Cabinet, so it may just be a bit of political grandstanding. And whether it has any real impact (except for new car dealers in the Netherlands) may be moot; there's little to stop a Dutchman from buying a car in Germany or Belgium.

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#1525669 4-Apr-2016 10:52

Re: nethelands and only Evs by 2025,

Its is political stunt, rather than an actual law....

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/holland-wants-to-ban-gas-cars-by-2025-news-report/

"Jan Vos, PvdA’s representative in parliament, responded to the backlash by pointing out that the motion is simply a vision for an emissions-free future, and that it won’t become a reality in the immediate future. He stresses that the Dutch need to kick their addiction to fossil fuels, but few politicians in Holland expect that the motion to ban gasoline and diesel-powered cars will be passed into law."

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#1525765 4-Apr-2016 13:45

Would never buy a car from Elon Musk, he's arrogant and thinks the whole world revolves around him.

Fully electric cars will never take off until they can do decent range i.e. match a petrol cars avg range. Would love to know what the carbon foot print is to make one of his cars.

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#1525766 4-Apr-2016 13:47

Re: traction battery serviceability Tesla vs others (e.g. Leaf):

http://cleantechnica.com/2016/01/06/a-tale-of-3-battery-packs/

- Tesla Traction Batteries. In my understanding - they are non serviceable. Individual cells / small blocks can not be changed. Swap to the new battery cost about the price of the 3 year old Toyota. Assume / predict those cars will be dumped on the side of the road when the battery degrades and gets below meaningfull driving range. At that time the owner would just buy a new car rather than go for a battery swap... (in comparison - we still have 12-19 old first 3 generations of Prius on the roads with batteries being rebuild). If Tesla Model 3 will still have remaining range around 100K after 20 years on original battery with average 10k/year - that would be great... We will see....

- Leaf - although very heavy (>240kg) - battery can still be taken of the Leaf in your own garage and dismantled by a person (or better by 2 ppl). Individual modules can be taken out and changed. My current Analysers for Prius/Lexus Hybrid have already been modified to cater for that future need.

Tesla's main business is obviously in their Gigafactory - selling you batteries.

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#1525793 4-Apr-2016 14:32

RUKI:

Re: traction battery serviceability Tesla vs others (e.g. Leaf):

http://cleantechnica.com/2016/01/06/a-tale-of-3-battery-packs/

- Tesla Traction Batteries. In my understanding - they are non serviceable. Individual cells / small blocks can not be changed. Swap to the new battery cost about the price of the 3 year old Toyota. Assume / predict those cars will be dumped on the side of the road when the battery degrades and gets below meaningfull driving range. At that time the owner would just buy a new car rather than go for a battery swap... (in comparison - we still have 12-19 old first 3 generations of Prius on the roads with batteries being rebuild). If Tesla Model 3 will still have remaining range around 100K after 20 years on original battery with average 10k/year - that would be great... We will see....

- Leaf - although very heavy (>240kg) - battery can still be taken of the Leaf in your own garage and dismantled by a person (or better by 2 ppl). Individual modules can be taken out and changed. My current Analysers for Prius/Lexus Hybrid have already been modified to cater for that future need.

Tesla's main business is obviously in their Gigafactory - selling you batteries.

Modern-day version of the Gillette or Kodak business model? Give you the razor handle/camera which locks you into the blades/film. And home computer printers.

Not exactly giving away Teslas though.

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#1525801 4-Apr-2016 15:08

BTR:

Fully electric cars will never take off until they can do decent range i.e. match a petrol cars avg range. Would love to know what the carbon foot print is to make one of his cars.

463km on a full charge? That's comparable to a petrol car, and in fact beats most petrol cars in everyday traffic usage.

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#1525803 4-Apr-2016 15:09

Model 3 interior at night:

Scanning for advanced lifeforms...

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#1525869 4-Apr-2016 16:47

Meet George Jetson & Jane his wife.

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#1526133 5-Apr-2016 07:30

RUKI:
Re: traction battery serviceability Tesla vs others (e.g. Leaf):

http://cleantechnica.com/2016/01/06/a-tale-of-3-battery-packs/

- Tesla Traction Batteries. In my understanding - they are non serviceable. Individual cells / small blocks can not be changed. Swap to the new battery cost about the price of the 3 year old Toyota. Assume / predict those cars will be dumped on the side of the road when the battery degrades and gets below meaningfull driving range. At that time the owner would just buy a new car rather than go for a battery swap... (in comparison - we still have 12-19 old first 3 generations of Prius on the roads with batteries being rebuild). If Tesla Model 3 will still have remaining range around 100K after 20 years on original battery with average 10k/year - that would be great... We will see....

- Leaf - although very heavy (>240kg) - battery can still be taken of the Leaf in your own garage and dismantled by a person (or better by 2 ppl). Individual modules can be taken out and changed. My current Analysers for Prius/Lexus Hybrid have already been modified to cater for that future need.

Tesla's main business is obviously in their Gigafactory - selling you batteries.

Not sure this is accurate. Reading the linked article suggests that the Tesla battery pack is no worse than any other and according to a link to an original source in the article link they are actively seeking to reduce battery cost per watt hour. Also Tesla battery packs were originally designed to be hot-swapped link. Presumably this remains in place and will be built into the Model 3 which would mean changing the battery could be a relatively quick process.

Presumably with a good diagnostic approach they could then refurbish them at a pretty low cost - this is the primary reason for the giga factory, to reduce the price of batteries link.

Long story short if they cant reduce the price of batterys they will go out of business before they deal with these pre-orders which suggests that replacement of batteries will become a non-issue at the same time.

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