Scott3:

 

That ACC website is stacked full of logical inconstancies.

I'm shocked to hear this.

Scott3:

 

HarmLessSolutions:

 

Worth being aware that ACC is now making noises about not being able to balance their books. If that results in them taking a look at motor vehicle levies EVs may be in for a price hike.

 

Presently EVs are levied at the same annual rate as petrol vehicles but petrol also carries an ACC component which EVs obviously don't pay. Diesel carries no ACC fuel levy so are pinged within their annual rego charge, which hopefully isn't an indication of how they may address the EV shortfall.

 

 

That ACC website is stacked full of logical inconstancies.

We change petrol vehicle's ACC levies partially at the pump as the risk of a crash is linked with the distance driven.

 

But we just charge diesel's a lump sum. (because boats and farm equipment also use diesel)

 

Hybrids are classed as petrol, but are more efficient so just pay less.

 

EV's are classed as petrol (no reason given why).



Would make sense for their to be an ACC component built into RUC's for non petrol cars, but failing that it seems illogical that EV's are on the petrol rate, no the diesel rate.

 

nova:

 

The cashflow benefit of this is fairly minimal, you still have to pay it eventually, and you run the risk of a fine at a police check. For most people you are only gaining the interest on a debt of around $500 to $1000, which isn't likely to be more than $50.

 

The real problem right now is people fraudulently entering a starting odometer that is higher than the true odometer. I think if they rolled this out to all vehicles they would need to put a lot of checks and balances against this. It would be interesting to see how big this effect was for the EV rollout, if you saw a change in the average distance per day across the EV fleet before and after it would tell you something.

 

There is also the opportunity to search the database for improbable  initial RUC, for targeted follow up. I.e. EV's less than 6 months old with the ODO declared to be more than 25,000km, and EV's which had a WOF in the last two months, but the ODO declared to be 5000km+ more then the WOF reading.

Scott3:

 

HarmLessSolutions:

 

Worth being aware that ACC is now making noises about not being able to balance their books. If that results in them taking a look at motor vehicle levies EVs may be in for a price hike.

 

Presently EVs are levied at the same annual rate as petrol vehicles but petrol also carries an ACC component which EVs obviously don't pay. Diesel carries no ACC fuel levy so are pinged within their annual rego charge, which hopefully isn't an indication of how they may address the EV shortfall.

 

 

That ACC website is stacked full of logical inconstancies.

We change petrol vehicle's ACC levies partially at the pump as the risk of a crash is linked with the distance driven.

 

But we just charge diesel's a lump sum. (because boats and farm equipment also use diesel)

 

Hybrids are classed as petrol, but are more efficient so just pay less.

 

EV's are classed as petrol (no reason given why).



Would make sense for their to be an ACC component built into RUC's for non petrol cars, but failing that it seems illogical that EV's are on the petrol rate, no the diesel rate.

 

Not to mention the enormous ACC levy cross subsidy from all other kinds of motor vehicles to motor bikes.
You may remember what happened when the then National Party government tried to put that right in 2009 (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-backs-off-over-motorbike-levies/GILYBLSMQ7SQY6AOW265QGFQRY/)

An ACC spokesperson was suggesting on RNZ today that once a "universal RUC" system was in place, ACC motor vehicle pool levies might be recovered on a distance basis, since that more closely modeled the risks.

Scott3:

 

There is also the opportunity to search the database for improbable  initial RUC, for targeted follow up. I.e. EV's less than 6 months old with the ODO declared to be more than 25,000km, and EV's which had a WOF in the last two months, but the ODO declared to be 5000km+ more then the WOF reading.

 

you guys are funny

i hate to break it to you that you can buy a tool no bigger than 10cm x 10cm that you plug into a car and you can make the ODO whatever you want it to be, whenever you want it to be, as many times as you want it to be

all you need is the internet and a credit card

Batman:

 

Scott3:

 

There is also the opportunity to search the database for improbable  initial RUC, for targeted follow up. I.e. EV's less than 6 months old with the ODO declared to be more than 25,000km, and EV's which had a WOF in the last two months, but the ODO declared to be 5000km+ more then the WOF reading.

 

 

you guys are funny

 

i hate to break it to you that you can buy a tool no bigger than 10cm x 10cm that you plug into a car and you can make the ODO whatever you want it to be, whenever you want it to be, as many times are you want it to be

 

all you need is the internet and a credit card

 

Its a good thing that EV's don't need much regular servicing.  So if you lose track of the Kms 
PHEV's a different story. 
More reason for the second hand market to get wilder.

Where there is a will there is a way. 

Just under 12,000 electric vehicle owners failed to pre-pay for their first block of road user charges by the May 31 deadline.

They now face a $200 police fine and a 10 per cent penalty on unpaid charges.

“As of this morning, we are at 88.75 per cent compliance, which is 93,261 vehicles out of a total of 105,105,” NZTA Waka Kotahi spokesman Andy Knackstedt told the Herald earlier today.

PolicyGuy:

 

Not to mention the enormous ACC levy cross subsidy from all other kinds of motor vehicles to motor bikes.
You may remember what happened when the then National Party government tried to put that right in 2009 (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-backs-off-over-motorbike-levies/GILYBLSMQ7SQY6AOW265QGFQRY/)

 

It must've been changed at some point then. A nifty fifty costs $401 per year now. 

$106 per year.

$401 per year. 

clinty: 

They now face a $200 police fine and a 10 per cent penalty on unpaid charges.

so. they know exactly how many there are. they know exactly who they are. but they are waiting for the police to catch them and fine them.

i thought the Police had better things to do?

i mean the Police better have better things to do right.

Batman:

so. they know exactly how many there are. they know exactly who they are. but they are waiting for the police to catch them and fine them.

i thought the Police had better things to do?

i mean the Police better have better things to do right.

Batman: i mean the Police better have better things to do right.

Road and Motorway Police Officers, while still being sworn officers (with full powers of arrest, etc), are a separate division within the NZ Police.

I would expect that they would be alerted that the vehicle has no RUC purchased when they put the plate in at a stop and bring it up then.

Batman:

 

clinty: 

They now face a $200 police fine and a 10 per cent penalty on unpaid charges.

 

so. they know exactly how many there are. they know exactly who they are. but they are waiting for the police to catch them and fine them.

 

i thought the Police had better things to do?

 

i mean the Police better have better things to do right.

 

 As I read it a crime is not committed until the EV is used on a public road, without a RUC. So yeah police have to wait outside the house and get them as leave I suppose.

mudguard:

 

PolicyGuy:

 

Not to mention the enormous ACC levy cross subsidy from all other kinds of motor vehicles to motor bikes.
You may remember what happened when the then National Party government tried to put that right in 2009 (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-backs-off-over-motorbike-levies/GILYBLSMQ7SQY6AOW265QGFQRY/)

 

 

It must've been changed at some point then. A nifty fifty costs $401 per year now. 

 

clinty: According to the NZTA via the Herald (Behind paywall) we are now at about 89% compliance, around 12.000 outstanding

12,000 renegade EV Owners

Just under 12,000 electric vehicle owners failed to pre-pay for their first block of road user charges by the May 31 deadline.

They now face a $200 police fine and a 10 per cent penalty on unpaid charges.

“As of this morning, we are at 88.75 per cent compliance, which is 93,261 vehicles out of a total of 105,105,” NZTA Waka Kotahi spokesman Andy Knackstedt told the Herald earlier today.

Clint

I think 89% Compliance four days into enforcement is pretty good going.

Especially given the numbers that haven't yet purchased will include:

• Vehicles which have been mis-registered as electric. List of electric vehicles registered includes models like Nissan Note, Honda Civic, Honda Fit, Honda insight, ford Fairlane.
• Vehicles Which aren't actively being driven:

   

  • Vehicles who's owners are overseas on holiday, temporally unable to drive for medical reasons, in hospital, in jail etc.
  • Vehicles which have been crashed, but not yet de-reg
  • Vehicles which are off the road for repair, waiting for parts etc.
  • Registered vehicles sitting on dealers lots.

But yeah, the bulk of the ~11% will be people who either didn't know they needed to pay RUC's, or forgot / decided to defer it for some time.