Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#2566981 17-Sep-2020 16:28

freitasm:

Gallup has a table where it shows that Independents outnumber Republicans and Democrats.

That's a poll - not the register.

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#2566982 17-Sep-2020 16:28

I wrote a reply before but decided to leave the poll - both Washington Post and Independent say it's more Independents than Republicans - back in February 2020.

Gallup poll says is more Independents than either Republicans or Democrats.

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#2567031 17-Sep-2020 16:47

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nathan: For the first time in US history, registered Independents outnumber registered Republicans or Democrats.

gzt: Interesting stat. I'd like to know more. Do you have a source for this one?

Gallup has a table where it shows that Independents outnumber Republicans and Democrats.

What does 'registered' mean here, though?

The Gallup table reports what respondents considered themselves to be at time of polling. And in 255 out of 362 poll results from the start of 2004, preference for Independents outnumbered those for either Republicans or Democrats.

So far from the first time that more people considered themselves Independents than the number who considered themselves as either Republicans or Democrats.

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#2567037 17-Sep-2020 16:55

DS248:

What does 'registered' mean here, though?

The Gallup table reports what respondents considered themselves to be at time of polling. And in 255 out of 362 poll results from the start of 2004, preference for Independents outnumbered those for either Republicans or Democrats.

So far from the first time that more people considered themselves Independents than the number who considered themselves as either Republicans or Democrats.

From Wikipedia:

In 31 states and the District of Columbia, voters are allowed to mark their party affiliation, or their unaffiliated status, on their voter registration form. In those states which host closed primaries for political parties, voters are often mandated to declare their party affiliation prior to receiving a primary ballot, whether on the day of the primary or by a prior deadline. In addition, voters who are party-affiliated in their voter files are most often allowed to participate in intra-party elections and decision-making.

(note that there's an incorrect bias indicated by the spread of the 31/50 states (&DC) - red states are less likely to have party affiliation as part of voter registration)

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#2567042 17-Sep-2020 17:01

freitasm:

I wrote a reply before but decided to leave the poll - both Washington Post and Independent say it's more Independents than Republicans - back in February 2020.

Gallup poll says is more Independents than either Republicans or Democrats.

True - but independents & Libertarians / Greens only got 5% of the vote in the important poll in 2016.

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#2567071 17-Sep-2020 17:40

Fred99:

DS248: What does 'registered' mean here, though?

From Wikipedia:

In 31 states and the District of Columbia, voters are allowed to mark their party affiliation, or their unaffiliated status, on their voter registration form. In those states which host closed primaries for political parties, voters are often mandated to declare their party affiliation prior to receiving a primary ballot, whether on the day of the primary or by a prior deadline. In addition, voters who are party-affiliated in their voter files are most often allowed to participate in intra-party elections and decision-making.

(note that there's an incorrect bias indicated by the spread of the 31/50 states (&DC) - red states are less likely to have party affiliation as part of voter registration)

Thanks for the clarification.

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#2567096 17-Sep-2020 18:42

Trump quote:

You’ll develop herd — like a herd mentality. It’s going to be — it’s going to be herd-developed, and that’s going to happen. That will all happen

Yup, and once you've developed your herd mentality, you'll vote for Trump.

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#2567102 17-Sep-2020 18:53

neb: Trump quote: You’ll develop herd - like a herd mentality. It’s going to be - it’s going to be herd-developed, and that’s going to happen. That will all happen ...

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#2567107 17-Sep-2020 19:07

Trevor Noah had an interesting, alternatively depressing, video yesterday of police body camera footage of a group of 20+ people gathered in a house, exceeding the permitted limit of 10 people. The reason why they were there was that one of the guys had Covid19 and he invited a bunch of friends round to keep him company while he was in quarantine.

Sometimes you wish Covid19 had a higher mortality rate so it'd do a better job of removing people like this from the gene pool...

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#2567202 17-Sep-2020 21:55

How long until the reports start coming in that some people at Trump's most recent rally caught coronavirus?

Voting papers arrived today...

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#2567216 18-Sep-2020 00:11

Only indirectly Trump-related, but useful information on why US police seem so brutal: They've been infiltrated by white supremacists and far-right militias:

Hidden in Plain Sight: Racism, White Supremacy, and Far-Right Militancy in Law Enforcement.

Written by a former FBI agent based on FBI documents. The original writeup was in The Guardian.

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#2567276 18-Sep-2020 09:23

Many, many years ago I was socialist in Alabama. I learned all freedom of speech is equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Since there's decades worth history of civil rights protests in Birmingham Alabama, the police had a tried-and-trued tactic

1) make getting a protest permit as hard and restricted as possible

2) a day before the protest, change the location to across town. (pre-SMS / social media. Forcing someone to stay at original location to tell everyone where to go. Also made many give up, and dilute numbers)

3) if the police really didn't want the protest to go ahead, again change the location an hour before the protest

4) Police show up in large numbers at the beginning of protest. Not to protect the protesters, but to intimidate.

5) Then police disappear (very bad sign, silence before the storm)

6) Then the KKK show up, toting shotguns and threatening everyone.

7) Then the KKK leave.

8) Then the Police reappear.

9) When told about KKK, shrug and say "what can I do? They're not here."

A word of advice; if you're in the deep south, the police have a bad reputation, but God help you if you're pulled over by a Sherriff. Nationwide they are generally elected county officials. Nowadays if you know you're about to talk to a Sherriff, sending a text message with your location is a really good idea.

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#2567281 18-Sep-2020 09:41

Both the Washington Post and The Guardian have articles that say "FBI director affirms Russia’s aim to ‘denigrate’ Biden ahead of election"

FBI Director Christopher A. Wray told Congress on Thursday that Russia is still working to influence the U.S. presidential election, and hoping to “denigrate” former vice president Joe Biden because it sees the Democratic nominee as part of an American policy establishment antagonistic toward Moscow’s interests.

Election year politics were front and center at the House Homeland Security Committee hearing on threats to the country, as lawmakers pressed Wray to weigh in on a variety of issues where politics, extremism and violence overlap.

“The intelligence community consensus is that Russia continues to try to influence our elections,” Wray said. Unlike in 2016, when the most serious interference efforts involved hacking Democrats’ emails and state election systems, Wray said Russian activity so far this year seems more limited to misinformation campaigns.

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#2567283 18-Sep-2020 09:45

"A devastating picture of Trump’s coronavirus response — from a firsthand witness" (Washington Post):

She directly blames Trump and his administration for the size of the outbreak and the number of deaths, which now total nearly 200,000. She points particularly to Trump’s unwillingness to embrace mask-wearing — which advisers have “repeatedly begged” him to do — and to his preoccupation with the economy. Troye says Trump demonstrated a “flat-out disregard for human life” because his “main concern was the economy and his reelection.”
She describes an often completely unengaged Trump who spends task force meetings focused on other issues and going off on sometimes-lengthy tangents. She said he once spent 45 minutes complaining about insufficiently Trump-friendly Fox News hosts. “He spent more time about who was going to call Fox and yell at them to set them straight than he did on the virus,” she said.
She says Trump’s public pronouncements about things like hydroxychloroquine routinely blindsided the officials who worked with him and often ran directly counter to what he had been briefed on.
She says everyone came to be afraid of disagreeing with Trump because they were routinely thrown “under the bus.” “Instead of being focused on the task at hand, people were constantly wondering what was going to drop next or when you’re going to get reprimanded or cut out of a process for speaking out,” she said.
She went so far as to say that people should be skeptical of a vaccine if it’s released before the election, because of the kind of political pressure she saw being brought to bear.
Troye also says in a video for the outside group Republican Voters Against Trump that he once said, “Maybe this covid thing is a good thing. I don’t like shaking hands with people. I don’t have to shake hands with these disgusting people.” She said the quote stuck with her because it defined Trump’s approach to the virus.

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#2567340 18-Sep-2020 10:25

The Washington Post - Trump alleges ‘left-wing indoctrination’ in schools, says he will create national commission to push more ‘pro-American’ history

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President Trump pressed his case Thursday that U.S. schools are indoctrinating children with a left-wing agenda hostile to the nation’s Founding Fathers, describing efforts to educate students about racism and slavery as an insult to the country’s lofty founding principles. ...

The federal government has no power over the curriculum taught in local schools, and the notion that public school curriculum is too secular or too critical of the nation’s legacy has been a frequent complaint of conservatives.

Trump said he would create a national commission [The 1776 Commission] to promote a “pro-American curriculum that celebrates the truth about our nation’s great history,” which he said would encourage educators to teach students about the “miracle of American history.” ...

Donald Trump is an expert at re-writing history. 😕

President Trump, in a July 4 speech at Mount Rushmore, told the crowd that public schools are teaching students to “hate America.”

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