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#2351705 11-Nov-2019 16:18

As for Jones - the government has resolved the policy and left Jones without a leg to stand on. Probably the best they can do given nz first's erratic history.

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#2351713 11-Nov-2019 16:25

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MikeB4: What is most important and most disturbing is that in the last month we have seen racism and ageism coming from this Coalition and the leadership has taken no action.

Swarbrick made this throwaway comment in response to an equally pointless interjection from an opposition MP. The response is overblown.

That does not excuse racism or ageism or any form of bigotry. Members or Parliament are leaders and must set a high standard if it is seen to be okay for these folk to speak and act in this manner it will be seen as approval and others will follow.

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#2351724 11-Nov-2019 16:51

MikeB4:
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MikeB4: What is most important and most disturbing is that in the last month we have seen racism and ageism coming from this Coalition and the leadership has taken no action.

Swarbrick made this throwaway comment in response to an equally pointless interjection from an opposition MP. The response is overblown.

That does not excuse racism or ageism or any form of bigotry. Members or Parliament are leaders and must set a high standard if it is seen to be okay for these folk to speak and act in this manner it will be seen as approval and others will follow.

In large part I agree. Ironically the concept of generational divide is largely inhertied from the boomer generation.

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#2351727 11-Nov-2019 17:02

@gzt it goes beyond that and through many generations as the words of the song goes.....

"Every generation
Blames the one before
And all of their frustrations
Come beating on your door"

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#2351825 11-Nov-2019 18:46

gzt:
MikeB4:

gzt:
MikeB4: What is most important and most disturbing is that in the last month we have seen racism and ageism coming from this Coalition and the leadership has taken no action.

Swarbrick made this throwaway comment in response to an equally pointless interjection from an opposition MP. The response is overblown.

That does not excuse racism or ageism or any form of bigotry. Members or Parliament are leaders and must set a high standard if it is seen to be okay for these folk to speak and act in this manner it will be seen as approval and others will follow.

In large part I agree. Ironically the concept of generational divide is largely inhertied from the boomer generation.

What? How so? Boomers never heard of this generational divide until someone else invented it. Blame the time not the people who were born into it. !950's USA. A boom time in all respects, American Dream. Who would you blame or credit for that? Those that lived it were twinkles in peoples eye well before it happened.

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#2351829 11-Nov-2019 18:51

@tdgeek the generation gap has been around forever.

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#2351834 11-Nov-2019 19:05

MikeB4: @tdgeek the generation gap has been around forever.

Ok, Ive not come across it as expressed the way it is these days. Boomers are evil and the cause off everything, but the more recent generations know everything. I see how boomers are treated these days, what Millenials are these days, but for me at least, I've not seen that excessive divide throughout my life. Once housing became an issue and that's extremely recent, not 25 years ago, we have someone to blame. But we have a 25yo who knows best so we are sorted now.

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#2351851 11-Nov-2019 19:51

I have been following this discussion with a degree of bemusement. I really do not get what all the hoo-haw is about. I am an old person, officially slightly pre-boom though I grew up as a boomer and always identified as one. It does not bother me in the least to be dismissed as one. We boomers are notorious for our strong sense of self and no boomer worth her protest sign will have the slightest problem finding an adequate comeback against any slight or insult. Not that being called a boomer is one.

Apart from that, there are degrees of everything. Racism in all its forms is dangerous and nasty. Sexism is demeaning. Making fun of the disabled, as the president of the USA seems to enjoy, deserves a mouthful of excrement. But being dismissed as relevant because of one's age? Meh. As insults go, it is pretty mild. No-one has ever been lynched for being old. Racism and ageism are not identical on the scale of evil, and I wish people would quit lumping them together. The one is far, far worse than the other.

It would be nice, though, if everyone would just calm down and go easy on the stereotypes. They rarely have much to do with the realities.

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#2351857 11-Nov-2019 19:56

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MikeB4: @tdgeek the generation gap has been around forever.

Ok, Ive not come across it as expressed the way it is these days. Boomers are evil and the cause off everything, but the more recent generations know everything. I see how boomers are treated these days, what Millenials are these days, but for me at least, I've not seen that excessive divide throughout my life. Once housing became an issue and that's extremely recent, not 25 years ago, we have someone to blame. But we have a 25yo who knows best so we are sorted now.

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“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”

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#2351866 11-Nov-2019 20:04

Rikkitic:
I have been following this discussion with a degree of bemusement. I really do not get what all the hoo-haw is about. I am an old person, officially slightly pre-boom though I grew up as a boomer and always identified as one. It does not bother me in the least to be dismissed as one. We boomers are notorious for our strong sense of self and no boomer worth her protest sign will have the slightest problem finding an adequate comeback against any slight or insult. Not that being called a boomer is one.

Apart from that, there are degrees of everything. Racism in all its forms is dangerous and nasty. Sexism is demeaning. Making fun of the disabled, as the president of the USA seems to enjoy, deserves a mouthful of excrement. But being dismissed as relevant because of one's age? Meh. As insults go, it is pretty mild. No-one has ever been lynched for being old. Racism and ageism are not identical on the scale of evil, and I wish people would quit lumping them together. The one is far, far worse than the other.

It would be nice, though, if everyone would just calm down and go easy on the stereotypes. They rarely have much to do with the realities.

I respectfully disagree. There has been a rise in ageism in New Zealand and it is getting quite nasty. Bigotry is abhorrent and should never be tolerated.

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#2351995 12-Nov-2019 04:02

MikeB4:

I respectfully disagree. There has been a rise in ageism in New Zealand and it is getting quite nasty. Bigotry is abhorrent and should never be tolerated.

Ageism nothing new. It's just become more bidirectional and transparent due to social media. I hadn't head much in the mainstream media complaining about discrimination against "entitled millennials" or "lazy Gen X" etc.

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#2352002 12-Nov-2019 06:52

Please ignore the Daily Fail link, but this is the sort of whipping boy treatment media outlets have been angling towards millennials for a while now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4803150/Collage-mocks-millennials-killing-headlines.html

My favourite one was how millennials are killing jewellers by not buying diamond rings and not getting married.

Almost every problem in every industry is apparently the fault of millennials for not using non-existent disposable income to buy things or putting off life milestones because they can't afford to do something. Instead of, you know, the generations that pay them a pittance to cover the living costs they hiked whilst deregulating labour markets.

That HDPA article is a hell of an exercise in a lack of self-awareness and played-out cliches, but not a whole lot more.

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#2352009 12-Nov-2019 07:21

Rikkitic:

I have been following this discussion with a degree of bemusement. I really do not get what all the hoo-haw is about. I am an old person, officially slightly pre-boom though I grew up as a boomer and always identified as one. It does not bother me in the least to be dismissed as one. We boomers are notorious for our strong sense of self and no boomer worth her protest sign will have the slightest problem finding an adequate comeback against any slight or insult. Not that being called a boomer is one.

Apart from that, there are degrees of everything. Racism in all its forms is dangerous and nasty. Sexism is demeaning. Making fun of the disabled, as the president of the USA seems to enjoy, deserves a mouthful of excrement. But being dismissed as relevant because of one's age? Meh. As insults go, it is pretty mild. No-one has ever been lynched for being old. Racism and ageism are not identical on the scale of evil, and I wish people would quit lumping them together. The one is far, far worse than the other.

It would be nice, though, if everyone would just calm down and go easy on the stereotypes. They rarely have much to do with the realities.

I agree. I actually dont see boomer comments being ageist, it has nothing to do with their age. Yes Mike, I know they are defined by birth years. The issue is a group of people, could be younger, could be older, could be super old, supposedly had a lucky time. Its about the circumstances of a time, than about the age of those. Boomers bought houses, later on bought rentals, sold them for easy money, are often now cashed up. So the others are jealous. Apparently, its all the boomer fault that we have high house prices, prices are high, wages are low. So when a 25yo with low life experience gets heckled, thats a boomer problem also.

Each generation has their time and circumstances. If its ageist then its ageist at 12yo to 80yo' as they all have a defined generational name, but they are defined by the circumstances of their time. Ageist doesnt mean old

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#2352010 12-Nov-2019 07:21

Anyway, supposedly the Port move is now a lock, according to TVNZ.

Lucky Aucklanders, stripped of a publicly owned asset but in exchange they get to *checks notes* pay billions of dollars additional to the port move cost for a potential stadium?

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#2352012 12-Nov-2019 07:28

GV27:

Please ignore the Daily Fail link, but this is the sort of whipping boy treatment media outlets have been angling towards millennials for a while now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4803150/Collage-mocks-millennials-killing-headlines.html

My favourite one was how millennials are killing jewellers by not buying diamond rings and not getting married.

Almost every problem in every industry is apparently the fault of millennials for not using non-existent disposable income to buy things or putting off life milestones because they can't afford to do something. Instead of, you know, the generations that pay them a pittance to cover the living costs they hiked whilst deregulating labour markets.

That HDPA article is a hell of an exercise in a lack of self-awareness and played-out cliches, but not a whole lot more.

Yes, its a blame game. If Millennials get blamed and Boomers get blamed, and I assume Gen X and Y and Z have issues, then everyone alive gets blamed, so be definition, there is in fact no blame, as we all get blamed. The differentiator then is that time and those circumstances that existed, not the people. But its more convenient to blame people

Im sure millennials are affecting the jewellry industry as they marry less often and later. Boomers hired video cassettes, they are gone. Is that the boomers fault or some other gen? Its technology's fault.But easier to blame people

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