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#1875609 1-Oct-2017 18:43

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Matariki is the Māori name for the cluster of stars also known as the Pleiades, which rises in in mid-winter. Traditionally, it represented the start of the New Year for Māori. It is also a time for remembering the dead and celebrating new life.

Taranaki Whanui Chair Wayne Mulligan says mana whenua are delighted by the city’s ambition for Matariki and will work with the council to develop the programme, “Matariki is about fire, food and whanau and it is traditionally a time to rest, reflect and share.”

This smells like just more Maori-fication to me.

What on earth does that mean?

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#1875644 1-Oct-2017 19:39

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Wiggum:

Matariki is the Māori name for the cluster of stars also known as the Pleiades, which rises in in mid-winter. Traditionally, it represented the start of the New Year for Māori. It is also a time for remembering the dead and celebrating new life.

Taranaki Whanui Chair Wayne Mulligan says mana whenua are delighted by the city’s ambition for Matariki and will work with the council to develop the programme, “Matariki is about fire, food and whanau and it is traditionally a time to rest, reflect and share.”

This smells like just more Maori-fication to me.

What on earth does that mean?

It means exactly what its stating. Many people including myself are sick to death of Maori culture etc being rammed down our throats. If you want to follow a religion or Maori culture then go for it but don't force it on others who are not interested.

Somebody has clearly not done their homework, July is the worst/coldest/rainiest months of the year. But hey, it fits in nicely with the Maori day, so thats all that matters. Not the fireworks.

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#1875645 1-Oct-2017 19:47

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Matariki is the Māori name for the cluster of stars also known as the Pleiades, which rises in in mid-winter. Traditionally, it represented the start of the New Year for Māori. It is also a time for remembering the dead and celebrating new life.

Taranaki Whanui Chair Wayne Mulligan says mana whenua are delighted by the city’s ambition for Matariki and will work with the council to develop the programme, “Matariki is about fire, food and whanau and it is traditionally a time to rest, reflect and share.”

This smells like just more Maori-fication to me.

What on earth does that mean?

It means exactly what its stating. Many people including myself are sick to death of Maori culture etc being rammed down our throats. If you want to follow a religion or Maori culture then go for it but don't force it on others who are not interested.

Somebody has clearly not done their homework, July is the worst/coldest/rainiest months of the year. But hey, it fits in nicely with the Maori day, so thats all that matters. Not the fireworks.

Omg they have passed a bylaw making it compulsory to attend.

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#1875648 1-Oct-2017 19:50

Wiggum:

Many people including myself are sick to death of Maori culture etc being rammed down our throats. If you want to follow a religion or Maori culture then go for it but don't force it on others who are not interested.

Jeesh - for a couple of centuries Maori seemed to cope with European culture and religions being rammed down their throats - with no choice but to accept it.

"Maori" culture is a very legitimate part of our NZ culture. If you don't like that - then please leave.

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#1875651 1-Oct-2017 19:56

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Jeesh - for a couple of centuries Maori seemed to cope with European culture and religions being rammed down their throats - with no choice but to accept it.

"Maori" culture is a very legitimate part of our NZ culture. If you don't like that - then please leave.

Actually I would rather just stand up to what I believe in than run away.

Your comment is however interesting, are you implying that people who don't want to embrace Maori culture should all just pack up and leave? Immigrants and Kiwis alike?

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#1875654 1-Oct-2017 20:03

People talk as if Maori culture is foreign to New Zealand when it is our original culture and should be embraced.

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#1875656 1-Oct-2017 20:05

Wiggum:

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Jeesh - for a couple of centuries Maori seemed to cope with European culture and religions being rammed down their throats - with no choice but to accept it.

"Maori" culture is a very legitimate part of our NZ culture. If you don't like that - then please leave.

Actually I would rather just stand up to what I believe in than run away.

Your comment is however interesting, are you implying that people who don't want to embrace Maori culture should all just pack up and leave? Immigrants and Kiwis alike?

I'm saying that to be as vehemently opposed to recognising Maori culture as integral to NZ culture and our nationhood / sense of identity is extremely unpatriotic.

You'd perhaps be happier elsewhere, if that's how you feel. NZ would be a happier place if people with those views left too. Think of it as a "win-win".

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#1875671 1-Oct-2017 20:18

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Wiggum:

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Jeesh - for a couple of centuries Maori seemed to cope with European culture and religions being rammed down their throats - with no choice but to accept it.

"Maori" culture is a very legitimate part of our NZ culture. If you don't like that - then please leave.

Actually I would rather just stand up to what I believe in than run away.

Your comment is however interesting, are you implying that people who don't want to embrace Maori culture should all just pack up and leave? Immigrants and Kiwis alike?

I'm saying that to be as vehemently opposed to recognising Maori culture as integral to NZ culture and our nationhood / sense of identity is extremely unpatriotic.

You'd perhaps be happier elsewhere, if that's how you feel.

Whatever. Not going to get into this with you, I am quiet happy with our culture like it is already and happily embrace it like it is, we don't need to go down the path of dismantling anything European, replacing it with something Maori.

This is a poor show from the Wellington city council. Nothing wrong with celebrating Matariki if you want to, or to even put up a fireworks display. But to replace guy fox with this is silly. I for one already celebrate New Years day on the 1st of January and have no interest in now celebrating a Maori New year in the middle of the year. Thats certainly not my culture, and nor is it about 90% of New Zealanders culture either.

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#1875676 1-Oct-2017 20:22

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Whatever. Not going to get into this with you, I am quiet happy with our culture like it is already and happily embrace it like it is, we don't need to go down the path of dismantling anything European, replacing it with something Maori.

This is a poor show from the Wellington city council. Nothing wrong with celebrating Matariki if you want to, or to even put up a fireworks display. But to replace guy fox with this is silly. I for one already celebrate New Years day on the 1st of January and have no interest in now celebrating a Maori New year in the middle of the year. Thats certainly not my culture, and nor is it about 90% of New Zealanders culture either.

Like to see links supporting the 90% claim?

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#1875679 1-Oct-2017 20:23

MikeB4: People talk as if Maori culture is foreign to New Zealand when it is our original culture and should be embraced.

Really Mike. So tell me do you celebrate a Maori new year? And do you pray every night to the Maori Gods? Or do you only half embrace it then?

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#1875682 1-Oct-2017 20:25

MikeB4:

Wiggum:

Whatever. Not going to get into this with you, I am quiet happy with our culture like it is already and happily embrace it like it is, we don't need to go down the path of dismantling anything European, replacing it with something Maori.

This is a poor show from the Wellington city council. Nothing wrong with celebrating Matariki if you want to, or to even put up a fireworks display. But to replace guy fox with this is silly. I for one already celebrate New Years day on the 1st of January and have no interest in now celebrating a Maori New year in the middle of the year. Thats certainly not my culture, and nor is it about 90% of New Zealanders culture either.

Like to see links supporting the 90% claim?

I personally know nobody that celebrates Maori new year. Do you?

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#1875687 1-Oct-2017 20:29

Wiggum:

MikeB4: People talk as if Maori culture is foreign to New Zealand when it is our original culture and should be embraced.

Really Mike. So tell me do you celebrate a Maori new year? And do you pray every night to the Maori Gods? Or do you only half embrace it then?

I do. We have a Matariki / New Year street festival in Lyttelton every year - with fireworks.

The only issue is that it's so popular that lack of parking and road congestion make it difficult for many people to get there.

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#1875688 1-Oct-2017 20:30

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Wiggum:

MikeB4:

Wiggum:

Matariki is the Māori name for the cluster of stars also known as the Pleiades, which rises in in mid-winter. Traditionally, it represented the start of the New Year for Māori. It is also a time for remembering the dead and celebrating new life.

Taranaki Whanui Chair Wayne Mulligan says mana whenua are delighted by the city’s ambition for Matariki and will work with the council to develop the programme, “Matariki is about fire, food and whanau and it is traditionally a time to rest, reflect and share.”

This smells like just more Maori-fication to me.

What on earth does that mean?

It means exactly what its stating. Many people including myself are sick to death of Maori culture etc being rammed down our throats. If you want to follow a religion or Maori culture then go for it but don't force it on others who are not interested.

Somebody has clearly not done their homework, July is the worst/coldest/rainiest months of the year. But hey, it fits in nicely with the Maori day, so thats all that matters. Not the fireworks.

Omg they have passed a bylaw making it compulsory to attend.

No but if you live in Wellington you pay rates that pays for it....all that money up in smoke for a trendy celebration celebrated by 15% of the population??

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#1875695 1-Oct-2017 20:32

So you have spoken to the entire population and have determined that only 15% celebrate it. That is impressive.

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#1875700 1-Oct-2017 20:39

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So you have spoken to the entire population and have determined that only 15% celebrate it. That is impressive.

Well most people I know celebrate it on the night of the 31st December every year. (Added with lots of alcohol and big party.) Maybe my friends/family and I are all just the exception. I clearly don't hang out with the right crowd. Maybe I should stop hanging out with so many Kiwis.

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