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Geektastic

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#1960615 19-Feb-2018 21:23

Fred99:

Geektastic:

That's a barely civilised border region....!

From closer to (your) home.

Yes. Rex Harrison speaks more correctly. The chav in the dress of course does not - neither do chavs today. The nasty, common "Estuary" accent (see East Enders et al) grates on the ear, does it not?

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#1960644 19-Feb-2018 23:06

Am I in the politics thread?

I seem to have woken up in linguistics......

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#1960646 19-Feb-2018 23:30

I'm not sure, was trying to see if there was an etymological connection between GBS's legacy with the term "Shavian" hence "shavs", and Geektastics odd description of East Enders being "chavs" - even though GBS and that movie long preceded use of that term.

Add to that Audrey Hepburn, who'd still be spectacular even if she spoke with a German accent, and it's all very confusing.

In the end, it's mainly about class war - the basis of most of the arguments in this forum - even though many of the posters seem unaware of their own reality.

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#1960682 20-Feb-2018 00:24

Fred99:

I'm not sure, was trying to see if there was an etymological connection between GBS's legacy with the term "Shavian" hence "shavs", and Geektastics odd description of East Enders being "chavs" - even though GBS and that movie long preceded use of that term.

Add to that Audrey Hepburn, who'd still be spectacular even if she spoke with a German accent, and it's all very confusing.

In the end, it's mainly about class war - the basis of most of the arguments in this forum - even though many of the posters seem unaware of their own reality.

"Opinion is divided on the origin of the term. Chav may have its origins in the Romani word chavi, meaning "child".[7][8] The word chavvy has existed since at least the 19th century; lexicographer Eric Partridge mentions it in his 1950 dictionary of slang and unconventional English, giving its date of origin as c. 1860.[9]

The word in its current pejorative usage is recorded by the Oxford English Dictionary as first used in a Usenet forum in 1998 and first used in a newspaper in 2002.[10] By 2005 the term had become widespread in its use as to refer to a type of anti-social, uncultured youth, who wear a lot of flashy jewellery, white trainers, baseball caps, and sham designer clothes; the girls expose a lot of midriff."

It's an approximate substitution for bogan, I suspect.

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#1960763 20-Feb-2018 09:50

Fred99:

I'm not sure, was trying to see if there was an etymological connection between GBS's legacy with the term "Shavian" hence "shavs", and Geektastics odd description of East Enders being "chavs" - even though GBS and that movie long preceded use of that term.

Add to that Audrey Hepburn, who'd still be spectacular even if she spoke with a German accent, and it's all very confusing.

In the end, it's mainly about class war - the basis of most of the arguments in this forum - even though many of the posters seem unaware of their own reality.

That's right. It just takes another group to seize power to make their regional accent more desirable.

I always felt sorry for the poms when I lived there. They are immediately marked by their accent when they open their mouth.

There's so much prejudice associated with each accent - you don't want to meet your surgeon before your brain operation to find he talks with a somerset accent do you?

Ultimately this prejudice is another factor which limits social mobility.

I know @geektastic thinks you can just 'work hard' to improve your lot but it ain't that simple, alright.

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#1961939 22-Feb-2018 03:19

Rikkitic:
Actually, data is plural, as in, the data are not available. The singular is datum. Hard to believe Sir Humphrey would make a mistake like that. Much more believable coming from a New Zealander.

But surely data is always plural. Unless your data consists of a single binary bit.

As for Datum, at least in relation to lands, surveying, and plans. You should ideally only have and need 1 datum point. Although I realise that in reality, there will often be more than 1.

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#1962075 22-Feb-2018 09:34

We talk about data in terms of 'a set of datum points'. One set is available. Usage drives correctness.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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