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#2200435 17-Mar-2019 21:10

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I have complete confidence in your knowledge and integrity and am happy to take your word for this and to apologise for flying off the handle. I would only say that I got the information from TV1 News, not a random tweet, and that is one reason for my anger. However, I had the TV on while using the computer and only heard the item with one ear so I was disbelieving at first. So I went on-line to check it and found the inflated prices. Then I blew up and posted.

There's no need to apologize. I have written some comments on social media that weren't the way I would normally express myself.

I am extremely emotional over this, going from near tears to rage. It looks like you are the same. It's a human response.

I could not agree more. I don't know why I feel the way I do over this, but I do. At the memorial today, seeking to look a police officer eye to eye, so that I can nod my appreciation. He smiled back and nodded very happily. Small things become big things in times like this.

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#2200436 17-Mar-2019 21:12

BarTender: Went to the Basin Reserve tonight for the vigil in Wellington.
Never seen the whole place filled to the brim including the field.
It was a sad and moving event that reflected on how abhorrent this event was and how much Kiwis reject it.

I f..king hate white supremacists and everything they stand for. They are not New Zealanders and should f..koff somewhere else as they are no longer welcome here.

Absolutely agree, many times over.

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#2200438 17-Mar-2019 21:16

BarTender: Went to the Basin Reserve tonight for the vigil in Wellington.
Never seen the whole place filled to the brim including the field.
It was a sad and moving event that reflected on how abhorrent this event was and how much Kiwis reject it.

I f..king hate white supremacists and everything they stand for. They are not New Zealanders and should f..koff somewhere else as they are no longer welcome here.

seeing those photos was exceptionally heart warming!

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#2200445 17-Mar-2019 21:28

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The social media responses from Air New Zealand weren't great. They were pretty thoughtless and stupid but they weren't malicious or diberately trying to exploit the situation.

Totally agree that things aren't easy for anyone at the moment and we need to show a bit of understanding and tolerance for people who don't react perfectly in the situation. Neil's explanation of spark blocking websites encapsulates that for me.

Not many realise that corporates, for reasons only known to them (and I've practically spent my whole professional career, outside of a few years of legal practice, working for corporates) typically have some of the dumbest people in the office (in terms of raw IQ and practical intelligence) "manning" the social media channels. You really only have to see the sheer number of faux pas that happen over and over to know this is true.

They are also exceptionally limited as to what they can say outside of the party line. The smarter corporates will at least make their external comms/social media types check in with more operational people/the decision makers as things escalate, which appears to be what eventually happened. You are totally right -- they wouldn't have been trying to exploit the situation. Airlines are known to make a huge chunk of their money out of last minute urgent bookings and their algorithms would have just been set that way.

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#2200447 17-Mar-2019 21:30

Here is another thing to be solved: because most of the dead are male, they're likely to be the main family supporters - and applicants in residency visa processes. What happens now with the families if they wish to stay? Immigration New Zealand is looking at this now.

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#2200448 17-Mar-2019 21:33

PM statement on Christchurch shooting – 4pm 17 March

Good afternoon.

Before I move to an operational update, I want to acknowledge that this is the first time I have spoken with you since a provisional list of missing people was released to families late last night. This is not a formal list, and will not be until formal identification has been completed.

I’ve had contact with those directly on the ground and know that providing as much information as we can is incredibly important. But I also know the receipt of that provisional list late last night will be devastating. In amongst all of the ongoing issues, the operation to bring to justice the person involved, to secure the safety of our communities, lies a list of people who were potentially the victims of this terrorist attack.

They were loved ones and they were New Zealanders.

Many of you will know that today I went to Kilbirnie Mosque to lay flowers with Wellington Mayor Justin Lester and to meet with Islamic community leaders.

Their message was one of gratitude for the outpouring of love that they had experienced from the people of Wellington. And an acknowledgement of the grief that the community feels.

As the Police Commissioner confirmed this morning:

50 people have been killed and 34 people remain in Christchurch Hospital – 12 of them in the intensive care unit in critical condition.

A four-year-old girl remains in a critical condition at Starship Hospital in Auckland.

I can confirm that the bodies of those who have died are beginning to be returned to their families from this evening. It is likely, however, to be a small number to begin with.

It is the expectation that all bodies will be returned to families by Wednesday.

To help ensure this happens as quickly as possible, we are receiving support from six Disaster Victim Identification staff from Australia.

The 28-year-old man charged with murder has been remanded in custody until April 5th and police say he will face further charges.

He is being held in a specialist security facility.

Police have confirmed that there is no indication that two other people arrested on Friday were connected with the attacks.

They have however confirmed that another person has been taken into custody as a result of evidence collected during the investigation, but there is no information to suggest that person is linked to the attacks. As the Police Commissioner has said, this is tangential to the attack on Friday.

Public safety remains the top priority for the Police – both in Christchurch and across the country.

The Police Commissioner will be issuing further advice as people look to return to work and school tomorrow. Needless to say there will be an increased police presence in Christchurch tomorrow to ensure public safety.

There are an additional 120 police staff are in Christchurch.

When it comes to mosques, during opening hours and while mosques are in active use, there will be a police presence outside. While they are closed the Police will remain in the vicinity. This will continue to be assessed while the police investigation continues.

We know these events have been traumatic for the community, but particularly for young people.

Today, local Ministry of Education staff met with senior staff at Hagley Community College and Burnside Primary School to provide support and resources. A team will be at Cashmere High School in the morning.

The Ministry is also gathering information to assess immediate trauma support needs at schools and early learning centres across the city. Support is already being provided to some schools and this will be expanded tomorrow morning.

The Christchurch office is responding to calls as they come in and a team of 200 staff is being mobilised, with specialist staff from other regions on site or on their way.

For the rest of the country, all schools and early learning centres have now received communications advising them of available support.

All regions have put Traumatic Incident trained staff on standby to provide support tomorrow.

The Ministry is also working closely with the Police and Red Cross to support the refugee community.

I also want to acknowledge in terms of wider advice for instance via parents who may wish to seek advice on communicating with their children, the Ministry of Health is making advice publicly available on their website.

I also reinforce the 1737 number remains open for text or phone-calls for anyone who may wish to seek further support, particularly mental health support at this time.

It is open and available to anyone and I understand they are experiencing increased contact.

The National Management Crisis Centre was set up in Wellington yesterday with staff on the ground in Christchurch.

This will ensure all agencies are working closely together to ensure the needs of victims and their families are being met.

It will work alongside the National Security System to ensure we have a comprehensive and well-coordinated response.

ACC is putting more staff on the ground in Christchurch, working alongside the Ministry of Social Development at the community hub at Hagley.

For ACC – as I’ve said before immigration status is not a factor – it is based on the event happening here in New Zealand.

In an event such as this – murder or manslaughter – the family is eligible for a funeral grant of around $10,000.

There are also one-off payments for the deceased’s partner, children and dependents, ongoing assistance provisions for things like childcare and of course compensation for the loss of income.

MSD is providing standard forms of financial assistance also, such as helping with immediate needs and things like one-off grants for food payments. It will also be working with individuals and families to consider ongoing needs, such as benefit support.

In terms of the weeks ahead, for the Government and also Parliament, Cabinet will meet tomorrow. I will provide updates from this at my usual Post-Cabinet Press Conference.

As I’ve already indicated, it’s my intention we will have an agency briefing for Cabinet and we will have policy discussions around issues like gun policy.

Members of Parliament will pay tribute in the House on Tuesday. Once the appropriate statements have been given, we will adjourn for the day.

Communities are paying their respects and expressing their grief and support in a number of ways throughout New Zealand.

Options and the appropriate timing for national commemorative services are being considered actively now and I will announce more about that when we are in a position to confirm arrangements.

I can confirm that we will open condolence books at Parliament tomorrow as well as at the National Library, further details will come on that for media to attend.

Again I want to pass on my deepest gratitude and thanks – and on behalf of the whole country – to the police, the first responders, the hospital staff who I met yesterday and to the teachers, many of whom kept their students in lockdown on Friday and who will be dealing with the fallout from that for a long time to come.

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#2200462 17-Mar-2019 21:54

dejadeadnz:

Airlines are known to make a huge chunk of their money out of last minute urgent bookings and their algorithms would have just been set that way.

Yes that's kinda true, but the reality was there were $199 AKL-CHC fares available for today at the time the original Twitter user posted to Twitter with a screenshot of the most expensive CHC-AKL-CHC R/T flights for today (return flights in the wrong direction).

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#2200472 17-Mar-2019 22:07

The actual figures are semantics. The reality is they were overpriced for the situation and Air NZ manually adjusted them.

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#2200509 18-Mar-2019 06:42

I was asking what happened in Australia to cause this.

An Australian explains : https://newmatilda.com/2019/03/16/tears-for-christchurch-australia-has-been-importing-hate-since-1788-now-were-in-the-export-business/

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#2200524 18-Mar-2019 07:55

Batman: I was asking what happened in Australia to cause this.

An Australian explains : https://newmatilda.com/2019/03/16/tears-for-christchurch-australia-has-been-importing-hate-since-1788-now-were-in-the-export-business/

That's unbelievably shocking.

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#2200564 18-Mar-2019 09:19

freitasm:

Here is another thing to be solved: because most of the dead are male, they're likely to be the main family supporters - and applicants in residency visa processes. What happens now with the families if they wish to stay? Immigration New Zealand is looking at this now.

I don't doubt for a second, that (rightly so) they will be granted residency if they would have been otherwise entitled to it. I also expect that these cases will now get priority. I hope the same checks and balances are still applied, however.

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#2200565 18-Mar-2019 09:21

I am a little saddened as to what is happening in NZ at this moment. Cabinet meeting to discuss changes to gun laws seems quite inappropriate at this point when none of the victims have yet been buried. Changing gun laws so fast and furious is a gut reaction to shift our gaze away from probably the most important issue here.

Sure, gun laws should be revisited in a clear and concise way when everyone is seeing clearly, and all things are considered.

The real elephant in the room from my perspective is that no agency in Australia or NZ are focused on hate crimes like they are on ISIS type criminals. You can tighten up on gun laws, but hate crimes like what happened in Chch will continue to happen unless our spy agencies/police change their views and their ways.

Why not have a high powered task force study this event and work out clearly what caused it before we all emotionally jump to the wrong conclusions. The perp has visited Nth Korea, Pakistan and Turkey in the last couple of years.....enough said.

Lets grieve as a nation with the families before we all start taking swipes at each other and seeking unthought out solutions.

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#2200569 18-Mar-2019 09:26

This is slightly off the topic directly, but I have a fair amount of dealings with Christchurch businesses, I am unsure if the right thing is to pass on sympathies during first contact, or not say anything and respond if it comes up? I don't want to be insensitive in either direction. Expressing sympathies seems so woefully inadequate.

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#2200572 18-Mar-2019 09:31

Bluntj:

I am a little saddened as to what is happening in NZ at this moment. Cabinet meeting to discuss changes to gun laws seems quite inappropriate at this point when none of the victims have yet been buried. Changing gun laws so fast and furious is a gut reaction to shift our gaze away from probably the most important issue here.

Sure, gun laws should be revisited in a clear and concise way when everyone is seeing clearly, and all things are considered.

The real elephant in the room from my perspective is that no agency in Australia or NZ are focused on hate crimes like they are on ISIS type criminals. You can tighten up on gun laws, but hate crimes like what happened in Chch will continue to happen unless our spy agencies/police change their views and their ways.

Why not have a high powered task force study this event and work out clearly what caused it before we all emotionally jump to the wrong conclusions. The perp has visited Nth Korea, Pakistan and Turkey in the last couple of years.....enough said.

Lets grieve as a nation with the families before we all start taking swipes at each other and seeking unthought out solutions.

As you said, its a meeting to discuss changes. Its not a knee jerk reaction. Our resident lawyer has mentioned that they have not been touched in a long long time. And while any google search will show snippets of NZ's gun laws are the envy of other countries, they need to be reviewed. There is no doubt that hate crimes will become a major effort from here on. I haven't read anything that tells me that we wont embark on this. There are no swipes or unthought out conclusions to be had. Its been stated there will be a hard look at this, why he wasn't on a watchlist and how to remedy that. Clearly there has been complacency over our remoteness and ISIS types, that has now changed

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