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#2238780 16-May-2019 09:05

Bluntj:

You seem to be launching personal attacks against posters rather than attacking the actual post? Not sure why you take some peoples views so personally when they do not agree with yours.

Not sure what your problem with me is, but it also seems pretty personal.

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#2238782 16-May-2019 09:06

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Rikkitic:

It just seems like you are reaching for things to complain about and sometimes I can't resist teasing you on that. But if you find that article, I will be happy to read it. Not everything this government does makes sense to me either.

You seem to be launching personal attacks against posters rather than attacking the actual post? Not sure why you take some peoples views so personally when they do not agree with yours.

That goes both ways. Most certainly it does.

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#2238935 16-May-2019 10:57

Rikkitic:

It just seems like you are reaching for things to complain about and sometimes I can't resist teasing you on that. But if you find that article, I will be happy to read it. Not everything this government does makes sense to me either.

In my view, there isn't really a need to "reach" it's pretty easy to find things.

It surprises me you say you are teasing me, it certainly feels more than that. Not saying you aren't, but I guess it hasn't been well translated in written form.

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#2238938 16-May-2019 11:05

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/389321/wellington-s-public-transport-system-to-get-6-point-4b-overhaul

Not hearing much about a 'regional fuel tax'. Apparently Wellington is getting 'it's fair share' of the funding to make this happen.

I would love to see Auckland getting a catch up on it's 'fair share' for public transit too, but it doesn't seem to work that way.

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#2238942 16-May-2019 11:16

I am completely at a loss over what this Government is doing re transport, there is no rhyme or reason to it that I can ascertain.

My understanding was that the Regional Fuel Tax (Interesting that it's being referred to as a Tax now) meant projects were being greenlit AND fast tracked.

Public transport initiatives in Auckland seem non existent.

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#2238956 16-May-2019 11:30

Also especially confusing given the bulk of the immigration burden is being shouldered by Auckland, and a huge swathe of Wellington's growth will likely be in less-productive central government services. I'm fairly sure North West Auckland has higher forecast population growth than the Wellington region on its own.

I'm not opposed to Wellington getting things it needs, but there is a decades-long infrastructure backlog in Auckland it just doesn't seem to matter anymore. Everyone else is getting to the front of the queue.

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#2239009 16-May-2019 11:44

networkn:

It surprises me you say you are teasing me, it certainly feels more than that. Not saying you aren't, but I guess it hasn't been well translated in written form.

I wouldn't expect anyone to take the 'ties' comment seriously, but I will try to stop doing it.

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#2239056 16-May-2019 12:07

I don't mind a bit of good natured ribbing, but so it's clear to everyone (me included) if you are teasing, perhaps a smiley or something?

This thread has largely been tense as many political discussions are. There seems a gaping divide in this country as there increasingly seems to be world wide, between views.

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#2239071 16-May-2019 12:39

I don't always disagree with everything you say. Our political starting points are different and I sometimes have the feeling you look for things not to like about this government, and then I have the impulse to make fun of your observations. During the presidential campaign, someone asked the two candidates to think of something nice to say about each other. Hillary really struggled but I am happy to concede that you are intelligent and well-informed. You also have a right-wing perspective, at least from my point of view, and I have no problem with that, though I usually see things differently.

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#2239074 16-May-2019 12:45

.....and National goes straight back to the bottom of the pile:

People across the Wellington region have reason to be disheartened at the outcome of the Let’s Get Wellington Moving project, which isn’t going to solve the capital’s congestion woes anytime soon, National’s Associate Transport spokesman Brett Hudson says.

"After more than 500 days of talk, the Government has delivered many of the transport solutions that were proposed years ago under National, but has pushed out the delivery timeframe by 30 years and demanded Wellingtonians stump up to pay for it.

"Thirty years is absurdly-long for a project like this, and Labour’s plan is extremely non-committal. How can anyone have confidence in a final outcome that far into the future?

"The Transport Minister has a proven record of big talk followed by non-delivery. There are no guarantees he will actually deliver what is promised, and release the congestion handbrake that’s frustrating Wellingtonians and holding back the city’s productivity.

"Phil Twyford also seems to have forgotten the thrust of this project was to fix the congestion plaguing the Basin Reserve roundabout. This plan contains no solid detail about what, if anything, will be done to solve this problem.

"But the biggest concern for people across the region should be the Government’s plan to sting them 40 per cent of the $6.4 billion cost. After the Prime Minister ruled out more regional fuel taxes, Phil Twyford has tried to pull the wool over people’s eyes by announcing a $2.56b regional transport tax disguised as increased rates and charges.

"This just shows the problems the Government’s transport priorities are causing. They have taken $5b worth of taxes paid by road users out of the highway budget to spend on pet projects like light rail in Auckland, and now they’ve got nothing left for roading projects.

"Labour’s plan robs Wellington of the roading upgrades it desperately needs. National is committed to giving transport in Wellington the priority it deserves and focusing on meeting the expectations of all commuters."

Brett Hudson seems to have a copy of the not-yet-completed business case study for Light Rail that hasn't even gone to cabinet yet.

Also, bonus marks deducted for having a sook about Wellingtonians having to actually pay for Wellington infrastructure. Yes, please tell Auckland commuters why we should idle in gridlock and burn through tonnes of fuel a year for the benefit of the capital.

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#2239082 16-May-2019 12:50

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/112767592/children-make-up-almost-a-third-of-aucklands-homeless

Child related poverty and health were JA's "top priority" and she appointed herself minister in charge of childrens issues (sorry I can't be bothered to look up the actual title).

I have seen *very* little about plans for addressing the issues in these articles. General homelessness numbers hadn't shown any (significant) improvement when I saw an article referencing it in Jan 2019, I don't imagine it's moved much since then.

For the record, I don't think the previous Government addressed this particularly well either. It's not a simple thing to fix.

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#2239085 16-May-2019 12:54

Twyford has too much on his plate. Transport is a portfolio that could take a full time minister, and housing is as well. He is doing an awful job at both in my view. JA should have split his responsibilities a year ago. She can see he is clearly drowning (well one hopes) and hasn't done anything about it. Her people management skills are average at best and terrible at worst.

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#2239089 16-May-2019 13:00

This is pathetic, its like reading Stuff comments from the "experts"

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#2239095 16-May-2019 13:10

Without commenting on the specifics I would just say that JA has been a little busy lately so maybe has not been in a position to devote as much attention to the mentioned things as she otherwise might have.

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#2239097 16-May-2019 13:16

GV27:

.....and National goes straight back to the bottom of the pile:

People across the Wellington region have reason to be disheartened at the outcome of the Let’s Get Wellington Moving project, which isn’t going to solve the capital’s congestion woes anytime soon, National’s Associate Transport spokesman Brett Hudson says.

"After more than 500 days of talk, the Government has delivered many of the transport solutions that were proposed years ago under National, but has pushed out the delivery timeframe by 30 years and demanded Wellingtonians stump up to pay for it.

"Thirty years is absurdly-long for a project like this, and Labour’s plan is extremely non-committal. How can anyone have confidence in a final outcome that far into the future?

"The Transport Minister has a proven record of big talk followed by non-delivery. There are no guarantees he will actually deliver what is promised, and release the congestion handbrake that’s frustrating Wellingtonians and holding back the city’s productivity.

"Phil Twyford also seems to have forgotten the thrust of this project was to fix the congestion plaguing the Basin Reserve roundabout. This plan contains no solid detail about what, if anything, will be done to solve this problem.

"But the biggest concern for people across the region should be the Government’s plan to sting them 40 per cent of the $6.4 billion cost. After the Prime Minister ruled out more regional fuel taxes, Phil Twyford has tried to pull the wool over people’s eyes by announcing a $2.56b regional transport tax disguised as increased rates and charges.

"This just shows the problems the Government’s transport priorities are causing. They have taken $5b worth of taxes paid by road users out of the highway budget to spend on pet projects like light rail in Auckland, and now they’ve got nothing left for roading projects.

"Labour’s plan robs Wellington of the roading upgrades it desperately needs. National is committed to giving transport in Wellington the priority it deserves and focusing on meeting the expectations of all commuters."

Brett Hudson seems to have a copy of the not-yet-completed business case study for Light Rail that hasn't even gone to cabinet yet. Also, bonus marks deducted for having a sook about Wellingtonians having to actually pay for Wellington infrastructure. Yes, please tell Auckland commuters why we should idle in gridlock and burn through tonnes of fuel a year for the benefit of the capital.

It gets even better; The Central vs. Local split of funding is 60:40! Meanwhile, Auckland is paying 50/50 for the CRL and the additional regional fuel tax. And this is still something the National Party thinks is somehow grotesquely unfair on Wellingtonians.

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