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  #3317884 7-Dec-2024 18:59
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But dismissal letters written by AI definitely sound better! 😁





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  #3319468 12-Dec-2024 09:40
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More from Fran Blanche, an electrical engineer who hates AI.

"YouTube Said It - Not ME!"


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  #3319472 12-Dec-2024 09:50
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In addition to it being a bad time for someone looking for their first job in the tech industry (gaming specifically), I'm certain that AI is also contributing to my son's issues landing his first full time job. From what relatives in various tech fields have told us, much of the donkey work that would have been done by an intern cutting their teeth in a junior role is now somewhat automated by AI. Not 100% I'm sure, but still a factor none the less.




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  #3319507 12-Dec-2024 11:22
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I personally think it's a bubble that will burst. No one has yet worked out how to make money from it and they are spending billions. There are also reports that they are running out of data to train on and therefore the growth in capability will/has stalled. Will we still have AI? Yes but in a much different form from today. I personally think the predictions of AI taking over and all of us being made redundant are completely overblown by companies that want you to believe that you need their products to survive the AI apocalypse. 

 

Has the AI bubble burst? Wall Street wonders if artificial intelligence will ever make money | CNN Business

 

Data for A.I. Training Is Disappearing Fast, Study Shows - The New York Times

 

 


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  #3319518 12-Dec-2024 12:11
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Until AI has actual comprehension and isn't just cause and effect, it will have limited value in technical spaces.

 

ML and AI is essentially just picking what has been determined to be the most statistically likely outcome, based on patterns. There's no intuition there.





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  #3319542 12-Dec-2024 12:57
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I try to take a balanced approach to AI. I too think it's in a major bubble phase, though is starting to be a useful tool in some limited scenarios (Note I say tool, not replacement for real people.. I think it should be treated as such)

 

 

 

I think the main problem is more PHBs thinking it's this amazing magic thing that is a huge quantum leap because they've bought into all the hype.  I've yet to see a demo that would convince me that it's anything other than a refinement of various things that have gone before... remember when artificial neural networks were all the rage, and skynet was right on the horizon?

PS: And I also tend to buy a bit into the narrative which I've heard a few people repeat:  Current AI models are little more than massive plagiarism engines.  





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  #3319548 12-Dec-2024 13:13
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Does anyone remember when Blockchain was going to revolutionise how we were going live our lives? Apart from a few bored monkey NFTs I haven’t heard anyone mention Blockchain in a very long time.


 
 
 

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  #3319592 12-Dec-2024 15:24
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ML and AI definitely hold more value in the everyday workplace than the blockchain.

 

Equipping people with best practices on LLM usage, and process optimization using AI and ML is the best path forward. A lot of expectations are that configuration, operation and monitoring tasks will be entirely taken up by AI in the next x years. I don't see this happening in any but the most basic spaces (push button receive bacon sort of scenarios). Anywhere that requires intuition, interpretation and decision making is the domain of the human still and will remain so until we have actual General AI, rather than Generative AI. Unfortunately, this means that a lot of the entry level jobs and basic "wage slave" jobs are at risk, leaving physical labour and mid level and above roles as the safest places to be in theory.

 

In practice, "Due to ever changing business needs"...





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  #3319660 12-Dec-2024 16:27
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toejam316:

 

ML and AI definitely hold more value in the everyday workplace than the blockchain.

 

Equipping people with best practices on LLM usage, and process optimization using AI and ML is the best path forward. 

 

 

This. So much this.  I would +10 if I could. I completed BE and some postgrad studies around 2002, which had pretty large ML, ANN and image processing, machine vision, etc. Not so much LLM as that I think was pretty limited unless you had IBM\google type resources.  Still the impression I got was a lot of research was going into this stuff even then. 

 

They've definitely made some pretty big advances in the area in the last few years, especially in the corporate/startup world, rather than pure research communities. But it also feels a lot like there's been a whole lot of hype generated around it more recently, which has resulted in crazy amounts of money, computing power, etc being thrown at it, along with a whole bunch of new buzzwords and cool controlled demos, which have made the media pick up on it in a big way.

At the end of the day, IMO it's a tool, best to learn how to use it like any other tool.  Just don't get over excited by it. And if you're setting policy for an organisation or team don't just parrot on about how everyone should be "automating and using AI" - actually make sure your people have the time and money to do some proper training on these tools. 





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  #3319662 12-Dec-2024 16:51
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LLMs didn't exist in 2002?  Language processing and statistical language models existed in different states of maturity, but certainly not large. The LLM architecture we know today came from the work leading up to and after the transformer paper Google published in 2017.


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  #3319663 12-Dec-2024 16:55
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They weren't labelled LLMs at the time, but I seem to recall very early what I would call precursors being around. 





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  #3319664 12-Dec-2024 16:59
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Not really.  Neural nets and by extension ImageNet were the precursors to LLM, so that's still 2010s. Statistical isn't comparable to transformer. 


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  #3319666 12-Dec-2024 17:18
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Hmm, have I crossed into a parallel dimension?  :D Neural nets were only 2010s?? ANN research has been around since 70s AFAIK.  Again, this was research communities\papers not commercial applications if that's what you mean. 

EDIT: I stand corrected - assume you mean you don't consider statistical NNs to be precursors to deep neural nets? Fair enough. I await our AI overlords ;-)





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  #3319742 12-Dec-2024 20:26
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I don't really consider what is being offered these days is actually A.I., rather it seems to be mostly machine learning and automation and math models now.  

 

 

 

 





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An AI companion suggested he kill his parents. Now his mom is suing.: Washington Post

In just six months, J.F., a sweet 17-year-old kid with autism who liked attending church and going on walks with his mom, had turned into someone his parents didn’t recognize.

He began cutting himself, lost 20 pounds and withdrew from his family. Desperate for answers, his mom searched his phone while he was sleeping. That’s when she found the screenshots.

J.F. had been chatting with an array of companions on Character.ai, part of a new wave of artificial intelligence apps popular with young people, which let users talk to a variety of AI-generated chatbots, often based on characters from gaming, anime and pop culture.

One chatbot brought up the idea of self-harm and cutting to cope with sadness. When he said that his parents limited his screen time, another bot suggested “they didn’t deserve to have kids.” Still others goaded him to fight his parents’ rules, with one suggesting that murder could be an acceptable response.
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Those screenshots form the backbone of a new lawsuit filed in Texas on Tuesday against Character.ai on behalf of A.F. and another Texas mom, alleging that the company knowingly exposed minors to an unsafe product and demanding the app be taken offline until it implements stronger guardrails to protect children.

The second plaintiff, the mother of an 11-year-old girl, alleges her daughter was subjected to sexualized content for two years before her mother found out. Both plaintiffs are identified by their initials in the lawsuit.

The complaint follows a high-profile lawsuit against Character.ai filed in October, on behalf of a mother in Florida whose 14-year-old son died by suicide after frequent conversations with a chatbot on the app.
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These legal challenges are driving a push by public advocates to increase oversight of AI companion companies, which have quietly grown an audience of millions of devoted users, including teenagers.
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