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#82363 14-Aug-2007 16:47

I read that the terrestrial STB's avail early 2008 will include HD, that being the case, what connections will they provide (HDMI?) and is it worth waiting for instead of purchasing a SD STB now?

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#82366 14-Aug-2007 16:51

Or maybe by then it will be cheaper to just buy a playstation 3 with a digital tuner in it, as they speculate are about to be announced...

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#82703 17-Aug-2007 12:32

Freeview question number 316....

If you have a redundant Sky dish that is supposedly all pointing in the right direction/elevation- is it a simple plug and play with your Freeview Set top box, or is there a lot more to it.....???

/sorry if this has been covered, quick question while in between shifts :)

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#82706 17-Aug-2007 12:51

That's all I did. Box cost $100 off Trademe. YMMV as they say

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#82959 20-Aug-2007 12:25

Old sky dish + $100 trademe special here too.

If the STB-T boxes do HD it'll be DVi w HDCP or HDMI (relativly interchaingable) and possibly progressive component out (limited to 1080i).

I seriously doubt Sony will offer DVB-T tuners with mpeg4 in the PS3, but they may do.

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#82973 20-Aug-2007 13:16

My Trademe special does 720p over component and that's how it's connected to my TV (and the TV signal 720P when the signal is received). I am guessing that it must de-interlace the picture internally since I didn't think the Freeview service was progressive?

Looks fine anyway.

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#82981 20-Aug-2007 14:24

RobDickinson: Old sky dish + $100 trademe special here too.

If the STB-T boxes do HD it'll be DVi w HDCP or HDMI (relativly interchaingable) and possibly progressive component out (limited to 1080i).

I seriously doubt Sony will offer DVB-T tuners with mpeg4 in the PS3, but they may do.

I would doubt that would launch DVB-T without H264/MPEG4 since that's what everybody is moving to. Launching it with MPEG2 only would be a waste of time.

I've seen a couple of DVB-T MPEG4 STB's online that only offer SCART (for composite and svideo) and HDMI output only. It would probably be crazy for Freeview to launch official Freeview branded STB's without HDMI & HDCP. While very few companies are using HDCP now it's probably inevitable that several years down the track it will be required for HD content.

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#82994 20-Aug-2007 16:29

sbiddle:
RobDickinson: Old sky dish + $100 trademe special here too.

If the STB-T boxes do HD it'll be DVi w HDCP or HDMI (relativly interchaingable) and possibly progressive component out (limited to 1080i).

I seriously doubt Sony will offer DVB-T tuners with mpeg4 in the PS3, but they may do.

I would doubt that would launch DVB-T without H264/MPEG4 since that's what everybody is moving to. Launching it with MPEG2 only would be a waste of time.

I've seen a couple of DVB-T MPEG4 STB's online that only offer SCART (for composite and svideo) and HDMI output only. It would probably be crazy for Freeview to launch official Freeview branded STB's without HDMI & HDCP. While very few companies are using HDCP now it's probably inevitable that several years down the track it will be required for HD content.

HDCP isn't required for HD playback. You can have an STB with HDMI that doesn't implement HDCP and any TV with HDMI will work just fine. HDCP is a requirements from the broadcasters to encrypt the STB -> TV connection to prevent capture of their digital signal.

I'd expect to see freeview DTB-T STBs with HDMI for HD playback. The PS3 DVB-T support will have to include H264 as the plan is for all DVB-T transmissions to be in H264 with a mix of SD and HD signals.

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#83078 21-Aug-2007 06:15

In fact, given the very nature of Freeview as a replacement ultimately for the current analogue system, HDCP implementation would be against the principle of free-to-air television

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#83079 21-Aug-2007 07:15

HDCP has been thrashed to death on these and other forums before, regardless of if the broadcaster is FTA or not the copyright holders of some material will not allow any broadcaster to transmit HD reslolution images and allow full resloution access to it if they do not protect it from copying via HDCP. It is not an issue with with the broadcasters, it is a requiremement imposed by the copyright holders (ie mainly Hollywood studios). If the broadcasters want to transmit protected material, then they must use HDCP or find something else to broadcast.

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#83084 21-Aug-2007 08:34

cyril7: HDCP has been thrashed to death on these and other forums before, regardless of if the broadcaster is FTA or not the copyright holders of some material will not allow any broadcaster to transmit HD reslolution images and allow full resloution access to it if they do not protect it from copying via HDCP. It is not an issue with with the broadcasters, it is a requiremement imposed by the copyright holders (ie mainly Hollywood studios). If the broadcasters want to transmit protected material, then they must use HDCP or find something else to broadcast.

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Quite right Cyril. But remember this is just encryption between the STB and the TV. Nothing prevents you grabbing the DVB-T signal on a PC as it will still be FTA.

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#83170 21-Aug-2007 16:52

openmedia:
Quite right Cyril. But remember this is just encryption between the STB and the TV. Nothing prevents you grabbing the DVB-T signal on a PC as it will still be FTA.

Steve

Then what is HDCP meant to protect against? I mean real pirates will probably be using a PC anyway so they can prepare the content for distribution. Seems kind of pointless to develop a technology like that.

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#83174 21-Aug-2007 16:57

I imagine the DVB card would need to support HDCP just like a STB would. With bluray/hddvd that also uses HDCP, you need a drive that supports it, your gfx card and a display (monitor tv etc) that have HDCP chips in them. Otherwise you will get a downsized or no pic at all (depending on connections). Imagine Freeview will be the same, so not sure how this will affect recording etc

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#83191 21-Aug-2007 18:24

upsilon: I imagine the DVB card would need to support HDCP just like a STB would. With bluray/hddvd that also uses HDCP, you need a drive that supports it, your gfx card and a display (monitor tv etc) that have HDCP chips in them. Otherwise you will get a downsized or no pic at all (depending on connections). Imagine Freeview will be the same, so not sure how this will affect recording etc

Sorry but HDCP is between the graphics card and the screen, no where else. FTA DVB-T broadcasts don't have HDCP, the HDCP is put in place by the STB over a DVI/HDMI connection to the screen

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP for a reference.

Basically it was designed to prevent copying of premium content off PayTV and HD-DVD/BluRay.

This has also been covered at http://pvr.geek.nz/w/index.php/DRM_and_Freeview

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#83257 21-Aug-2007 23:28

So the DVB-T comes in a raw format anyone can view?

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