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  #1196393 12-Dec-2014 15:51
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connector:  ... it also depends a bit on the type of music ...


extracts from Stereophile January 2015, page 22

Mastering engineer Bob Katz writes about the "Loudness War" and "compression"

"Listeners accept far more distortion today than we did years ago. Many people have never heard a great stereo system - all they’ve heard are overdriven boom boxes, cheap stereos, and portable systems, and that’s what they expect systems and music to sound like. And distortion is part of the sonic language of such musical genres as hip-hop, rap, and alternative rock.

"Technically speaking, distortion is compression is distortion is compression. You can’t have one without the other: compression reduces peaks, and a distorted waveform has fewer peaks than a clean one... the important reason why many music professionals prefer distorted, closed-in, compressed sound over the clean, open version: Distorted music sounds louder!

"Popular-music producers take advantage of loudness every day to gain your attention - the loudness war has been going on for decades. The median loudness of LPs went up about 4dB between 1950 and 1980. The median loudness of the pop CD rose 9dB between 1979 and 2011. The impact, punch, clarity, soundstage, transient response, and microdynamics of recordings, all of which audiophiles consider desirable qualities, are affected by a recording’s peak-to-loudness ratio (PLR). Between 1980 and 2010, the median PLR of charting pop recordings decreased from 16.6 to only 8.9dB.

"To reproduce good-sounding transients, a medium needs a minimum headroom to accommodate peaks of 16dB above the loudness. But here’s the rub: a recording cannot have a high peak-to-loudness ratio and simultaneously be loud (at the same position of your volume control). This is why CD sound quality has deteriorated so much in 30 years ..."





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  #1196547 12-Dec-2014 20:12
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I've played the file's on my receiver through the USB port with my iPod.
Just wondering what other members use for sound mode.
Apparently pure direct is the way to go.
Not sure as it sounds quite trebley with not as much bass.
This bypasses all the eq etc so it's played as it was recorded.

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  #1196549 12-Dec-2014 20:19
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I have an Audeze LCD 2.3 ... tried every method to listen to it ... in the end sounded best with laptop headphone jack and 3D software DSP ... beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder



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  #1196554 12-Dec-2014 20:29
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Yeah I just want the best sound i can get on the gear I have.
Maybe all the mcacc stuff is just too fiddly.
Quite annoying but will soldier on.

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  #1196625 12-Dec-2014 21:50
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Pure direct is fine if everything else is a totally flat frequancy responce, but it seldom is, and you also lose the bass management in pure direct so no subwoofer action, which is needed with most household speakers as they have pretty weak bass response.

Just dont put BS surround modes on like stadium etc or dolby and you will have tone controls and bass management and nothing too bad happening to the sound processing wise.




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  #1197094 13-Dec-2014 22:54
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pure direct?

howabout no autotune


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  #1197147 14-Dec-2014 08:53
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yeah thought i would do a test using foobars abx tester

for me and my test gear (pc/external usb dac/pioneer amp/audio technica headphones) - i was pretty much guessing  :)  - that said the years of doof doof as a young fulla have no doubt done my ears in too

would be keen to hear back from those who reckon they can hear a difference after they have done an abx test :)

 
 
 

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  #1197327 14-Dec-2014 17:53
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Any opinions on the pono or fiio x5 players?
Might get one of these when my pod dies or I've saved up enough money.
I've read some good reviews of the fiio and it's not too expensive either.

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  #1197503 14-Dec-2014 23:56
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Gambit: Any opinions on the pono or fiio x5 players?
Might get one of these when my pod dies or I've saved up enough money.
I've read some good reviews of the fiio and it's not too expensive either.


I'll let you know when my Pono arrives.  They were held up to NZ because apparently we don't allow bamboo boxes.

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  #1197516 15-Dec-2014 05:15
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That's pretty random.

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  #1198471 16-Dec-2014 15:26
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My Pono arrived on its the due date.  UPS can deliver from China in five days.

So does it sound better than my iPod [classic]?  Yes without a doubt or an argument.  I gave a trained audio engineer a listen and he was impressed after initially being skeptical that any adults hearing is good enough to really hear the difference.

So far I have tested flacs from Linn's 24 bits of Christmas at 24/192 and 24/96, CDs ripped to ALAC with iTunes, iTunes purchased tracks at  bot the standard and Mastered for iTunes rates, and 320kpbs MP3s.  I can't pick the difference between 24/192 and 24/96 but both have much more clarity and presence than lower resolution tracks.  You can instantly pick the tracks that are in a studio and those that are recorded in a concert hall. 

What's immediately noticeable with the other formats is the colouring I have become used to.  The low frequency reproduction of the Pono is excellent.  It's immediately evident when there is a double base or a kettle drum present, something that that is not so evident on an iPod.  The mid-range initially sounds a bit flat until you realise that's what it sounds like in real life.

320kpbs MP3s also sound much better than on an iPod.  It's also quite evident when playing a "Mastered for iTunes" track.  I'd started to think the rating was a bit of a have when listening to an iPod.  But they are definately mastered to a higher quality.  It's also equally as evident whether a track has been ripped from an older or newer CD.

The JRiver software that comes with the Pono is actually very good when you get past the strange user interface.  The library functions like adding cover art and analyzing the bpm of the tracks are probably the smoothest most problem free I've come across in both free and commercial software.

The Pono's on board UI is ok.  It's not the ground breaking piece of interface design that the iPod classic is, but it's functional.  The thing I find the hardest with it is that my ear bud controls don't work, and that the button that activates the touch screen also pauses the music.

So is it worth buying one?  Definitely, it's hands down better than any other portable music player I've used.

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  #1198545 16-Dec-2014 17:41
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Good stuff.
Thanks for all the information.
How much was it?

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Glassboy: I gave a trained audio engineer a listen and he was impressed after initially being skeptical that any adults hearing is good enough to really hear the difference.

So much for audio engineering!

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  #1199331 17-Dec-2014 16:43
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Gambit: Good stuff.
Thanks for all the information.
How much was it?


The original Kickstarter was about US$315 from memory.  I'm not sure what it will retail for.

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  #1200842 19-Dec-2014 21:33
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Just a quick post to say thanks for the info, and thanks for the kick up the bum.

I spent two full days ripping my cd collection to FLAC (currently 188-192kbps quality) months ago, and have put off updating my playlists.

I can easily hear the difference in quality, so I must get back to it! lol

Cheers

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