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k1wi
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  #387631 4-Oct-2010 12:28
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boby55:
k1wi: I'm not entirely sure how ISPs in Australia are managing to move towards 1TB consumer plans, with unlimited, unmetered upload traffic. They must have a lot more domestic traffic than us.

freitasm, I do take issue at the suggestion people wanting a 1TB plan are most likely downloading pirated content. Perhaps 4 years ago this was the case, but the amount of legal and free content, TVNZ OnDemand, YouTube, hell, even Facebook games that are available to consumers now (many of these are being hosted, or at least cached locally), i



You have got to be kidding me? Even with a S**T load of Legal Content, (Open Source Torrents, Tv On Demand, Youtube), No way can that amount to 1TB of usage, The only logical way for a home user to use that much would be indeed pirating content.

Edit: But Yes, it would be nice to see a 120 - 200Gb Plan for users who do, do lots of the content mentioned above


You quoted me selectively, I continued on to say talk about the use in the area  upwards of 120GBs (which in itself is well above the 20GB offered by Telecom). I didn't say users would actively consume all 1TB of data every month. I would be surprised if even most of the users who pirate content would even consume that much data, sure some would, but that would only be a tiny tiny minority. During Big Time, I was very vocal that those users who circumnavigated Telecom's management software in order to consume such amounts of content should have been managed in a different manner.

The simple fact is that it is now possible to consume considerable amounts of data legally as it is illegally, and that there will always be a very small proportion of users, in both camps, who consume large quantities of data. In effect, at 1tb the plans become 'soft caps' as opposed to 'hard caps' - monthly usage no longer becomes something users fret over during the month - "can I watch stream yesterday's Q+A episode?"

Sky is coming out with its iSky package, all evidence I have seen suggests that it will not be unmetered for Telecom users. Depending on the quality of video they put across, it is not impossible that that could have very large data requirements. Additionally, the growth and growth of Steam games makes it very easy to consume 10 or 20GBs of data in one pop just for the download of a game.

On the other hand, one factor that limits the amount of data that pirates use is the fact that from what I understand of the pirate world, most users are limited by what they can upload back. Never the less, the fact remains, we can argue the logistics of the consumption of illegal vs. legal content all we like.

Regarding the next remark that it is impossible to consume 1TB of data: it is possible (that is watch) a TB of data in a month. By my maths, 20 full quality BluRay movies will put you over the limit and provide 40 hours of entertainment. I'm not passing judgement as to why anyone would want to do so, whether there is a legal option for that, or why they would think it is legitimate to do so and I don't foresee myself coming close to 1TB any time soon, I am just saying such statements should be avoided. They are as foolish as someone saying '640K is more memory than anyone will ever need' (regardless of whether or not he actually ever said it).

The Australian plans I am referring to are as such:

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/08/iinet-now-offering-1tb-plans/



Cymro
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  #387633 4-Oct-2010 12:30
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boby55:
raab: I think Telecom need to update their plans after 2 years since the last update?

40GB as the largest option seems a bit ridiculous given the plethora of online streaming options these days

Mind you I could pay $160 in over usage charges to get 120GB/mth 


If your spending $160 a month in over charges, Maybe you should look at a Telecom Business Plan,

They have higher Data Cap and Lower Overage Price.

https://www.telecombusinesshub.co.nz/Internet/Broadband/Pages/Pricing.aspx



Edit: Woot! 1000 Posts :D


Remember those prices are ex.GST though, so the overage on the 40GB residential plan is cheaper ($2/GB vs. $2.30/GB) and the 60GB Business plan actually has $1.73/GB overage after tax.

NZCrusader
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  #387966 4-Oct-2010 23:11
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freitasm: I am on a 120GB plan with TelstraClear and pay $229/month. Do you think other ISPs would be able to offer a 500GB or 1TB at any price point people would pay?

Look at it this way: people wanting a 1TB consumer plan are most likely downloading pirated content. They are not people that are fan of paying for things, are they?


Its called New Zealand.


We steal stuff all the time. :)

My friend likes to steal hub caps... but hes dutch.. maybe thats just his thing.



Anyway, ild like to see some decent caps come in, 70-200gb for residential.


My friends, who have broadband frequently question me as to why telecom advertise 20gb as a large cap large downloads & gaming, as the 20gb cap is used in 3 days at their flat.

I just respond "marketing purposes".



swalker5872
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  #387984 5-Oct-2010 00:43
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k1wi:
I was told in a very stern manner that the reason why it would cost at least $10 a month is because it is a premium Yahoo! account. When I asked why they couldn't downgrade it to a free Yahoo! account, and offer it in turn for free I was never offered a reason. Yet TelstraClear has managed to continue to provide us with an incoming email service (no outgoing) with them since we left them for Telecom some 5 years ago. For no charge. And people still bloody send us email using that old address no matter how many times we tell them we have a new one!

k1wi


I think the reason they will charge you $10 per month for maintaining the Xtra account is it is a bundled service with the Flickr Pro membership, Anti Viral software etc. Its my understanding that there is no such thing as a "free" e-mail address at .xtra.co.nz.

k1wi
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  #388016 5-Oct-2010 07:33
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swalker5872:
k1wi:
I was told in a very stern manner that the reason why it would cost at least $10 a month is because it is a premium Yahoo! account. When I asked why they couldn't downgrade it to a free Yahoo! account, and offer it in turn for free I was never offered a reason. Yet TelstraClear has managed to continue to provide us with an incoming email service (no outgoing) with them since we left them for Telecom some 5 years ago. For no charge. And people still bloody send us email using that old address no matter how many times we tell them we have a new one!

k1wi


I think the reason they will charge you $10 per month for maintaining the Xtra account is it is a bundled service with the Flickr Pro membership, Anti Viral software etc. Its my understanding that there is no such thing as a "free" e-mail address at .xtra.co.nz.
Yeah,
It's $10 a month because it's a premium Yahoo! account, I can't see why they couldn't arrange for it to be made a standard free Yahoo! account in the same way that a premium Yahoo! account would revert to a free account if you stopped paying for it...?

1080p
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  #388018 5-Oct-2010 07:39
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freitasm: Look at it this way: people wanting a 1TB consumer plan are most likely downloading pirated content. They are not people that are fan of paying for things, are they?


This is why I suggested a stepped plan (500GB, 750GB, 1TB), I would imagine 1TB being the upper limit for extreme consumers for at least a few years and would expect them o pay for it...

I do not doubt that many people using this plan might infringe copyright here and there but I do not think this would be blanket true over all users.

Consider the case where you have more than two geeks living in a home. There will almost certainly be a fair chunk of data used by them.

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