Telecom increase second line pricing by 22%. Looks like shooting themselves in the foot.

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#969727 19-Jan-2014 19:18

timmmay: People still use PSTN phone lines?

Plenty do, old people mainly.

Even with unlimited calling plans on mobile phones for not much more than a landline and a few extra services which are free on mobiles (caller ID, voicemail, call waiting etc) they still want a phone that only works in one location. Bizzare eh?

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#969736 19-Jan-2014 19:45

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timmmay: People still use PSTN phone lines?

Plenty do, old people mainly.

Even with unlimited calling plans on mobile phones for not much more than a landline and a few extra services which are free on mobiles (caller ID, voicemail, call waiting etc) they still want a phone that only works in one location. Bizzare eh?

I think you'll find its not old people mainly - I'd wager the majority of families and households do, unless they are with Orcon/Snap/similar bundled voip solutions, or are people who use their mobile and dont have a landline number at all, which is a common trend among younger people. Only tech enthusiasts tend to have voip set ups that arent a bundled solution (orcon genius, snap plus w/fritz etc).

For the OP and others who want two phone numbers, I also suggest a VOIP solution.
Snap plus i personally find works well,and supports 5 concurrent calls even without secondary numbers, which are still available to purchase might I add. But for those who aren't on Snap, 2Talk has a great solution for $23 a month:
2 Numbers - 4000 local minutes - 1000 national minutes - 2 concurrent calls and a sweet control panel with a ton of features. WXC offers lines at $11.50 a piece but includes no minutes beyond your standard local calls, which isn't as good value as the 2talk offering.

Drop your POTS and go for a naked connection. Eg i have snap plus which is only $10 over standard naked DSL, and second phone numbers or unlimited national calls are only $10 extra. While 2talk works out cheaper, sometimes a bundled solution is nice.

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#969737 19-Jan-2014 19:50

I have a Snap line here with their phone service - using the Fritz!Box with the Fritz!Fon, a DECT handset that pairs directly with the router. Very stylish handset, fully feature stuff too.

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#969741 19-Jan-2014 20:43

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traderstu: Fully featured 2Talk VoIP line = $6.90 per month and includes 2000 local minutes. Lots of options in this space. Is Telecom heading the same way as NZPost? Gone by lunch-time?

that's the 2talk10 plan which is actually $11.50 p/m and has been for a number of years.

That may be the cost of the first line but the topic is "second line pricing". I am on the 2talk10 plan. I have 4 extra lines and they cost $6 + GST each.

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#969752 19-Jan-2014 21:39

That may be the cost of the first line but the topic is "second line pricing".

I guess that's what a few people are meaning, sure have a POTs line if you want, but for a 2nd (3rd, 4th..) line; VoIP is really a no brainer.

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#969758 19-Jan-2014 22:07

richms:
timmmay: People still use PSTN phone lines?

Plenty do, old people mainly.

Even with unlimited calling plans on mobile phones for not much more than a landline and a few extra services which are free on mobiles (caller ID, voicemail, call waiting etc) they still want a phone that only works in one location. Bizzare eh?

Monitored Alarm systems need landlines

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#969759 19-Jan-2014 22:16

KiwiNZ:
Monitored Alarm systems need landlines

Cheap obsolete Monitored Alarm systems need landlines.

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#969764 19-Jan-2014 22:25

richms:
KiwiNZ:
Monitored Alarm systems need landlines

Cheap obsolete Monitored Alarm systems need landlines.

Our system is neither obsolete nor cheap..... Try again

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#969765 19-Jan-2014 22:27

KiwiNZ:
richms:
timmmay: People still use PSTN phone lines?

Plenty do, old people mainly.

Even with unlimited calling plans on mobile phones for not much more than a landline and a few extra services which are free on mobiles (caller ID, voicemail, call waiting etc) they still want a phone that only works in one location. Bizzare eh?

Monitored Alarm systems need landlines

No they don't - and haven't done for quite some time.

Alarm systems from big name monitoring companies who are stuck in the 1980's with cheap alarm concentrators refusing to believe the world has long since moved to IP need landlines may need a landline, but this doesn't mean every alarm does.

For ~$150 you can convert pretty much any ContactID based alarm (the most commonly used alarm protocol) to IP. You will then just need an alarm company that support IP, and there are still some large players who don't support IP. For a number of years now GSM based monitoring has also been commonplace, both via ContactID over voice calls, CSD data, or now GPRS/3G data.

My recommendation for any alarm monitoring is AlarmNZ - quite simply because they understand the game and were dealing with IP before your average tech from bigger companies knew what IP even stood for.

Any alarm technician or company that says you need a landline for an alarm should be avoided.

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#969766 19-Jan-2014 22:29

sbiddle:
KiwiNZ:
richms:
timmmay: People still use PSTN phone lines?

Plenty do, old people mainly.

Even with unlimited calling plans on mobile phones for not much more than a landline and a few extra services which are free on mobiles (caller ID, voicemail, call waiting etc) they still want a phone that only works in one location. Bizzare eh?

Monitored Alarm systems need landlines

No they don't - and haven't done for quite some time.

Alarm systems from big name monitoring companies who are stuck in the 1980's with cheap alarm concentrators refusing to believe the world has long since moved to IP need landlines may need a landline, but this doesn't mean every alarm does.

For ~$150 you can convert pretty much any ContactID based alarm (the most commonly used alarm protocol) to IP. You will then just need an alarm company that support IP, and there are still some large players who don't support IP. For a number of years now GSM based monitoring has also been commonplace, both via ContactID over voice calls, CSD data, or now GPRS/3G data.

My recommendation for any alarm monitoring is AlarmNZ - quite simply because they understand the game and were dealing with IP before your average tech from bigger companies knew what IP even stood for.

Any alarm technician or company that says you need a landline for an alarm should be avoided.

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#969767 19-Jan-2014 22:32

I would actually go as far as saying that an alarm that dials out over a PSTN line when triggered isnt really monitored, it just has the ability to alert someone off site (hopefully so long as the line is intact).

Cut the phone line, trouble light will come on, rob the place and noone is the wiser till the alarm misses its middle of the night check in call.

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#969772 19-Jan-2014 22:44

richms: I would actually go as far as saying that an alarm that dials out over a PSTN line when triggered isnt really monitored, it just has the ability to alert someone off site (hopefully so long as the line is intact).

Cut the phone line, trouble light will come on, rob the place and noone is the wiser till the alarm misses its middle of the night check in call.

Good grief.

I must be completely wrong mine is not monitored, it was installed 20 years ago by cowboys ......

Oh GZ thou art .....never mind

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#969773 19-Jan-2014 22:44

KiwiNZ:
richms:
KiwiNZ:
Monitored Alarm systems need landlines

Cheap obsolete Monitored Alarm systems need landlines.

Our system is neither obsolete nor cheap..... Try again

Then i'd say you're being ripped off for something that's obsolete!

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#969784 19-Jan-2014 23:47

KiwiNZ:
sbiddle:
KiwiNZ:
richms:
timmmay: People still use PSTN phone lines?

Plenty do, old people mainly.

Even with unlimited calling plans on mobile phones for not much more than a landline and a few extra services which are free on mobiles (caller ID, voicemail, call waiting etc) they still want a phone that only works in one location. Bizzare eh?

Monitored Alarm systems need landlines

No they don't - and haven't done for quite some time.

Alarm systems from big name monitoring companies who are stuck in the 1980's with cheap alarm concentrators refusing to believe the world has long since moved to IP need landlines may need a landline, but this doesn't mean every alarm does.

For ~$150 you can convert pretty much any ContactID based alarm (the most commonly used alarm protocol) to IP. You will then just need an alarm company that support IP, and there are still some large players who don't support IP. For a number of years now GSM based monitoring has also been commonplace, both via ContactID over voice calls, CSD data, or now GPRS/3G data.

My recommendation for any alarm monitoring is AlarmNZ - quite simply because they understand the game and were dealing with IP before your average tech from bigger companies knew what IP even stood for.

Any alarm technician or company that says you need a landline for an alarm should be avoided.

Disagree

Why do you disagree?? I agree with Steve

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#969813 20-Jan-2014 07:00

johnr:
KiwiNZ:
sbiddle:
KiwiNZ:
richms:
timmmay: People still use PSTN phone lines?

Plenty do, old people mainly.

Even with unlimited calling plans on mobile phones for not much more than a landline and a few extra services which are free on mobiles (caller ID, voicemail, call waiting etc) they still want a phone that only works in one location. Bizzare eh?

Monitored Alarm systems need landlines

No they don't - and haven't done for quite some time.

Alarm systems from big name monitoring companies who are stuck in the 1980's with cheap alarm concentrators refusing to believe the world has long since moved to IP need landlines may need a landline, but this doesn't mean every alarm does.

For ~$150 you can convert pretty much any ContactID based alarm (the most commonly used alarm protocol) to IP. You will then just need an alarm company that support IP, and there are still some large players who don't support IP. For a number of years now GSM based monitoring has also been commonplace, both via ContactID over voice calls, CSD data, or now GPRS/3G data.

My recommendation for any alarm monitoring is AlarmNZ - quite simply because they understand the game and were dealing with IP before your average tech from bigger companies knew what IP even stood for.

Any alarm technician or company that says you need a landline for an alarm should be avoided.

Disagree

Why do you disagree?? I agree with Steve

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