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#404000 12-Nov-2010 18:59

richms: Slingshot have the all you can eat plan, but its like going to an buffet and they only give you a toothpick and a saucer to eat with.

And of course you have no problems Mauricio, telstra clear are both the loop operator and ISP for cable, so are in the same position that telecom are on the adsl network at the moment with being able to provide better service than anyone else on the network will be able to.

New broadband customers on Telecom since January 1st are on exactly the same regulated wholesale products with exactly the same backhaul/handover constraints as any other ISP.

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#404005 12-Nov-2010 19:09

pauln: Posting from my mobile and haven't figured out how to quote but LAC mentioned 11GBs per hour, wow you must have a great connection. If we do the maths, 11GBs = 88Gbs. Divide by 3600 gives 24.4 Mbps, even if you were on a symmetrical connection that would be a constant data rate up over 12Mbps up and down for the entire hour. As I said wow or have I got my maths wrong? For the sake of calculations I have gone with a GB is 1000 MBs etc

At the time I was with Orcon. Witch brings me to my point, even in the US they don't have bandwidth caps, becuase of the speed they have would eat it all up within mins.

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#404008 12-Nov-2010 19:14

LAC:
pauln: Posting from my mobile and haven't figured out how to quote but LAC mentioned 11GBs per hour, wow you must have a great connection. If we do the maths, 11GBs = 88Gbs. Divide by 3600 gives 24.4 Mbps, even if you were on a symmetrical connection that would be a constant data rate up over 12Mbps up and down for the entire hour. As I said wow or have I got my maths wrong? For the sake of calculations I have gone with a GB is 1000 MBs etc

At the time I was with Orcon. Witch brings me to my point, even in the US they don't have bandwidth caps, becuase of the speed they have would eat it all up within mins.

Actually in the US speeds are not that great. You have to look around just a little to find out their average speeds are not much higher. The difference is that most of their content is from inside the US itself so latency is smaller.

Also some of the large companies are not trying caps there.

I don't understand why people show unreasonable expectations and then fire the "US is better" when it's actually not.

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#404011 12-Nov-2010 19:19

freitasm:
LAC:
pauln: Posting from my mobile and haven't figured out how to quote but LAC mentioned 11GBs per hour, wow you must have a great connection. If we do the maths, 11GBs = 88Gbs. Divide by 3600 gives 24.4 Mbps, even if you were on a symmetrical connection that would be a constant data rate up over 12Mbps up and down for the entire hour. As I said wow or have I got my maths wrong? For the sake of calculations I have gone with a GB is 1000 MBs etc

At the time I was with Orcon. Witch brings me to my point, even in the US they don't have bandwidth caps, becuase of the speed they have would eat it all up within mins.

Actually in the US speeds are not that great. You have to look around just a little to find out their average speeds are not much higher. The difference is that most of their content is from inside the US itself so latency is smaller.

Also some of the large companies are not trying caps there.

I don't understand why people show unreasonable expectations and then fire the "US is better" when it's actually not.

I never said the US was better, nor did I say they are better with there BB, but I'm saying that traffic capping should have a really big re-think about it. How you say that speeds in the USA are not that great? I have seen peoples internet speeds 3 times faster than ours, and they are actually up to the tech, not like us that are still using stuff from the 1950's.

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#404012 12-Nov-2010 19:29

LAC: but I'm saying that traffic capping should have a really big re-think about it.

Yes, the difference here is that there's a big long pipe between us and the main source of content we consume. In the US they don't have it.

Unless we see a huge shift with consumption moving to locally sourced content, with less reliance on undersea cables I don't think there'll be changes.

LAC: I have seen peoples internet speeds 3 times faster than ours, and they are actually up to the tech, not like us that are still using stuff from the 1950's.

http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_101710.html tells us that the average US broadband speed is twice that of New Zealand. Go on and compare both countries. The US is #15 and New Zealand is #24 in broadband.

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#404017 12-Nov-2010 19:40

freitasm:
LAC: but I'm saying that traffic capping should have a really big re-think about it.

Yes, the difference here is that there's a big long pipe between us and the main source of content we consume. In the US they don't have it.

Unless we see a huge shift with consumption moving to locally sourced content, with less reliance on undersea cables I don't think there'll be changes.

LAC: I have seen peoples internet speeds 3 times faster than ours, and they are actually up to the tech, not like us that are still using stuff from the 1950's.

http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_101710.html tells us that the average US broadband speed is twice that of New Zealand. Go on and compare both countries. The US is #15 and New Zealand is #24 in broadband.

Look where the US is and look where we are, lol so how can you say they are not better? But that aside, wasn't there plans to get another cable setup? It was gonna make broadband cheaper?

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#404021 12-Nov-2010 19:44

http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_101710.html?tells us that the average US broadband speed is twice that of New Zealand. Go on and compare both countries. The US is #15 and New Zealand is #24 in broadband.

Sorry still can't quote properly but the issue is average speeds. I don't believe on an ADSL connection in NZ connecting to an overseas server that you will go through 11GBs in 1 hour. Would be interested to see LACs speedtest results

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#404023 12-Nov-2010 19:52

I wish I saved the the the the stats on the site when I saw it. But I s**t you not I really did eat 11GB.

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#404024 12-Nov-2010 19:53

Was that including downloading a hell of a lot of new content on the first play of it?

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#404027 12-Nov-2010 19:55

No, it was online play.

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#404064 12-Nov-2010 22:50

It is a nice idea but I have some questions:

1) Does it address the international bandwidth cost issue; it is all very nice to have massive pipes to homes and businesses but if the international bandwidth cost is expensive then we're really back to square one with technology not being exploited to its full potential.

2) When it comes to speed are they going to invest a decent amount in the backhaul? if you're connected at the exchange at xyz but the backhaul is chock to over flowing then has the 'speed issue' really been addressed? has the problem merely been moved from home to the exchange to some other part of the network? it seems that in NZ we have a record of doing things half baked and half finished for saving a few dollars which ultimately comes back to bite us in the behind later on.

For me I'd sooner they roll out ADSL2+ and boost speeds over existing copper with lower pricing before jumping into fibre; for me the speed has never been an issue it has always been the cost and caps that really don't take into account the growth of what is on offer these days.

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#404089 13-Nov-2010 00:25

Very good points there. As I have said in another post before, that I could never get was why have all these sites like TVNZ when if you watch all those videos then you would suck all your bandwidth, making it not free after all!

Sigh my BB reset on the 8th and look now. :(

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#404105 13-Nov-2010 02:52

robbyp:
Ragnor:

Internet access needs to become a commodity/utility like power and water. Cheap, fast and ubiquitous.

I don't think you could call power cheap, after it was deregualted, or water for that matter. We are paying ALOT more than we were for both, than we were 10 years ago. However the same couldn't be said for interenet, based on the cost per GB of bandwidth usage.

Yes but we are still paying about the same proportional amount for electricity across other countries (i.e. slightly more than Australia)

ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing
(NZ pricing being US$0.1943 derived from averaging retail prices here)

There has been no significant increase in power generation, or improvements in delivery or transmission, so the prices should track with an economic index, like the CPI (and I believe it does).

With Internet, on the other hand, it is a little different.
There is the cost to maintain connection to your home and usage, which isn't cheap but not overly expensive (when you consider the cost of equipment/connection to land area vs population density). And we aren't doing too bad with ADSL2+ available to most of the country.

International bandwidth (and most residential backhaul), on the other hand, is effectively controlled by a single entity who is keeping the prices up as there is no real competition.

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#404106 13-Nov-2010 03:39

LAC: No, it was online play.

I'm calling you out as either a liar or utterly mistaken about how much data you use.

There is no way in hell that playing halo reach (or indeed any online game) for one hour is going to use up 11GB. a few hundred MB maybe, but not 11GB.

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#404108 13-Nov-2010 05:13

NonprayingMantis:
LAC: No, it was online play.

I'm calling you out as either a liar or utterly mistaken about how much data you use.

There is no way in hell that playing halo reach (or indeed any online game) for one hour is going to use up 11GB. a few hundred MB maybe, but not 11GB.

I may have been over the top, but I really did use a lot, I remember flipping out when I saw the usage online. And no need to call me a liar, we are all friends here. :)

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