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#47665 5-Oct-2006 14:29

No I dont believe I did.

Telecom have WiMAX or pre WiMAX gear in full scale commercial deployment? AFAIK only Wired Country in NZ can claim that with other operators still in limited commercial trials or not even at that stage yet.

Where in that statement do I explicitly state it is WiMAX? I imply it is either WiMAX or pre WiMAX.

The lower layer modulation technology is the same as WiMAX, it is at MAC and LLC layers which are not 802.16x complient, there are quite a few similarities however.

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#47756 6-Oct-2006 13:28

bradstewart: Yes the Aussie Government have pretty much said no to replacing CDMA, but thats very old news.

No offence, but that's bollocks... This just in from the Australian Stock Exchange:

"Telstra and Ericsson will continue to extend network coverage and upgrade software for faster speeds next year in readiness for the closure of the CDMA network in 2008, when NEXT G(TM) coverage will be as good, or better than currently available with the older CDMA technology."

This is another Beta vs VHS battle. CDMA is arguably the superior technology, but Qualcomm (the patent holder) have strangeld the life out of it by charging excessive royalties. GSM has won the war by default.

The sooner all operators move to GSM (or later generations such as WCDMA or WiMax), the better. Telecom had the opportunity back when they contemplated a network upgrade in 2000/01 to move to GSM. Instead they chose EVDO which was a cheaper option apparently. Now it's an albatross and with the closure of CDMA in Aussie, Telecom's investment in CDMA is practically worthless.

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#47757 6-Oct-2006 13:32

My understanding is that GSM is a politically mandated digital mobile telephony standard. The EU laid down the law, and that was that for CDMA in Europe, pretty much. Countries which either develop new GSM/UMTS networks or migrate from CDMA ones also get EU subsidies for doing so, apparently.

Correct me if I'm wrong...

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#47758 6-Oct-2006 13:42

Grant17: "Telstra and Ericsson will continue to extend network coverage and upgrade software for faster speeds next year in readiness for the closure of the CDMA network in 2008, when NEXT G(TM) coverage will be as good, or better than currently available with the older CDMA technology."

Telstra has just announced their HSDPA 850MHz network: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=6737

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#47760 6-Oct-2006 13:52

Grant17:
bradstewart: Yes the Aussie Government have pretty much said no to replacing CDMA, but thats very old news.

No offence, but that's bollocks... This just in from the Australian Stock Exchange:

"Telstra and Ericsson will continue to extend network coverage and upgrade software for faster speeds next year in readiness for the closure of the CDMA network in 2008, when NEXT G(TM) coverage will be as good, or better than currently available with the older CDMA technology."

This is another Beta vs VHS battle. CDMA is arguably the superior technology, but Qualcomm (the patent holder) have strangeld the life out of it by charging excessive royalties. GSM has won the war by default.

The sooner all operators move to GSM (or later generations such as WCDMA or WiMax), the better. Telecom had the opportunity back when they contemplated a network upgrade in 2000/01 to move to GSM. Instead they chose EVDO which was a cheaper option apparently. Now it's an albatross and with the closure of CDMA in Aussie, Telecom's investment in CDMA is practically worthless.

What part of OLD news did you miss?

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#47761 6-Oct-2006 13:58

bradstewart: the Aussie Government have pretty much said no to replacing CDMA

"in readiness for the closure of the CDMA network in 2008"

What part of that complete contradiction did you miss?

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#47762 6-Oct-2006 14:12

I said the Aussie government had put a halt on the closure of the CDMA network a while back... therefore old news. I never said it was still the case.

Try reading the post before that one i made... we were talking about a decision made quite some time ago which obviously is no longer of any consequence.

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#47763 6-Oct-2006 14:13

Correct in readiness for closure in 2008. This is subject to the Aussie federal Govt having technical proof from a ongoing audit of the new network. the new 850 MHZ network will have to have the same or better performance than the existing 1xRTT and EVDO network before they will rubber stamp the close down.

Currently they are having issuses outlying areas with data speeds but they will fix this i am sure. Got to remember the hype and smoke and mirrors being thrown at this at the mo. once the dust settles they will know if the new flash G network will be all it's hyped up to be!

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#47764 6-Oct-2006 14:23

CDMA is far from being a 'dead' or 'worthless' technology. CDMA is actually growing rapidly in Europe (and elsewhere) because it won the right to use the 450MHz band left over from NMTS. This from Ericsson

There are CDMA 450 networks deployed, being deployed or being trialled in - Norway, Sweden, Romania, Latin America, Argentina, Russia, Vietnam, Armenia, Poland, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Brazil, Czech Republic, Denmark, Ethiopia, Finland, Georgia, Ireland, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Laos, Latvia, Madagascar, Mali, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Mozambique, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, Sri Lanka, Tajikistan, Uganda, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Zambia

Network gear is made by ~ Ericsson, Lucent, Huawei, ZTE, Nortel and Motorola

Wow that is a lot of people flogging a dead horse!

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#47765 6-Oct-2006 14:24

OK, I have reread the previous post as you suggested:

alasta: I seem to recall Mauricio recently mentioning that Teltra's plans to wind down their CDMA network had been put on hold, so I suspect that The Herald is reporting old news here.

This doesn't sound like you are discussing OLD NEWS to me...

bradstewart: Aussie Government have pretty much said no

And you have used the present tense here as well so pardon me for misinterpreting your clearly written unambiguous statements in the way that I have...

bradstewart: we were talking about a decision made quite some time ago which obviously is no longer of any consequence.

If the decision was made quite some time ago and thus no longer of any consequence, then why bother discussing it at all!

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#47767 6-Oct-2006 14:42

Jama: CDMA is far from being a 'dead' or 'worthless' technology. CDMA is actually growing rapidly in Europe (and elsewhere) because it won the right to use the 450MHz band left over from NMTS. This from Ericsson

That's all very fine but who wants to have yet another electronic device to lug around, when a GSM phone with HSDPA can do it all for you?

Maybe CDMA will persist in some niche markets, but as the Herald article pointed out:

"GSM technology, used by rival Vodafone, has 82 per cent of the market, attracting more investment from handphone makers. "

And Telecom themselves admitted:

"The risks are moving a little bit against us," said Telecom's chief financial officer, Marko Bogoievski.

There's more:

..carriers such as India's Reliance Communications and Brazil's Vivo Participacoes SA are moving to GSM, part of a global groundswell that's prompting equipment makers to alter course. Nokia, the world's largest cellphone maker, is reducing investment in CDMA because the technology is losing momentum in newer markets. "The momentum is going towards GSM," said James Lindsay of Tyndall Investment Management. "Nokia is a big loss for CDMA."

I rest my case...

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#47768 6-Oct-2006 14:59

You are again incorrect. GSM is a 2G technology. WCDMA is the 3G technology used by GSM operators. I will say that again WCDMA.

So, to compare apples with apples which you should do. Rather than apples with lemons which is what you have done.

Total 3G CDMA Subscribers: 369.3 million
CDMA 295.4m
WCDMA 73.9m

According to my math that means CDMA has a 80% share of the 3G market. Which leaves WCDMA with 20%. That would make CDMA the 'VHS' of the 3G world.

Lucky that Telecom didn't introduce that 2G GSM technology then considering that Voda will eventually move all their 900MHz spectrum to WCDMA.

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#47769 6-Oct-2006 15:08

Well said Jama.....

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#47775 6-Oct-2006 17:50

so anybody know what will happen to people who have telecom mobile phones?

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#47778 6-Oct-2006 17:54

What do you mean what will happen to people with Telecom mobiles? Well as far as I'm aware no plague has been scheduled for Telecom customers. But let me check with the big guy upstairs.....

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