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#405142 16-Nov-2010 01:23

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An interesting article: http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/telecom-loses-mobile-market-share-132804

The carrier enjoyed another big gain in XT uptake. There are now 839,000 on Telecom's 3G network, or around 40% of Telecom's total mobile customer connections.

That's a lot of customers..... And most of those will either be broadband cards, or Highspeed capible phones since they are all 3G.

A nice summary but the numbers don't really show the mobile broadband specific growth as such.

Its a shame that Telecom/Voda/2D don't publish this data, I think it would all be very interesting reading to see the prepaid vs postpaid and voice only / smartphone / mobile broadband split. But somehow I don't think that will ever get published unless someone starts doing it first.

ojala: Interesting Mobile stats from Norway...

Other trends (Jan-Jun2009 -> Jan-Jun2010) include DSL -53,700 subscriptions, fixed telephone -180,000 lines, fixed telephone minutes -246,000,000 and mobile telephone minutes +421,000,000. Every minute lost in the fixed network comes back as two minutes in the mobile network.

But in Norway I suspect you pay for your local calls? Kiwishare means that local calls are "free" for residential, but we do pay a high monthly charge just to have the analogue line.

ojala: I would have assumed people have moved from Telecom's CDMA to 3G XT for better pricing, coverage, modern handsets and other benefits but I might be wrong.

That and the high speed EVDO network is getting shutdown at the end of the month and Telecom plan to shutdown the whole CDMA Network by mid 2012.

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#405146 16-Nov-2010 01:41

ojala:
BarTender:

An interesting article: http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/telecom-loses-mobile-market-share-132804

The carrier enjoyed another big gain in XT uptake. There are now 839,000 on Telecom's 3G network, or around 40% of Telecom's total mobile customer connections.

That's a lot of customers..... And most of those will either be broadband cards, or Highspeed capible phones since they are all 3G.

A nice summary but the numbers don't really show the mobile broadband specific growth as such.

4,837,000 subscriptions in total, 839,000 in Telecom's XT network, Telecom -19,000, Vodafone -25,000. Population 4,367,700 (Wiki June 2010 estimate). Telecom ARPU 27 NZD. NZ Stats June 2010 ISP survey lists 299,400 for "Cellular, cable and satellite" which includes data cards but excludes smart phones.

In comparison; 8,070,000 subscriptions in total (June 2010),mobile broadband 1,152,200 subscriptions (excluding smart phones). Elisa +102,000 subscriptions, TeliaSonera +300,000, DNA +50,000 (all grow, they are the equivalent of Vodafone, Telecom and 2degrees but all have their own 3G networks countrywide). Typical ARPU 37 NZD (21 EUR). Population 5,373,989 this morning.

Other trends (Jan-Jun2009 -> Jan-Jun2010) include DSL -53,700 subscriptions, fixed telephone -180,000 lines, fixed telephone minutes -246,000,000 and mobile telephone minutes +421,000,000. Every minute lost in the fixed network comes back as two minutes in the mobile network.

I would have assumed people have moved from Telecom's CDMA to 3G XT for better pricing, coverage, modern handsets and other benefits but I might be wrong.

Actually we get better reception on the CDMA. 1-2 bars.
XT 0-1 bar when holding phone high / upside down.

Tried complaining to telecom, but they said unless I get an army of signatures, they don't care and wont even look into it.

Our area is a little strange. ( around where the earthquake was centered btw )
Some townships outside chch have coverage. Some none.
Its also patchy in areas too.

Simply just end up using the land line or putting the phone up on a higher place in the rooms to maybe get reception.

I happen to know where the two cell ph towers are.
One at rolleston, and one further away.

Both very short and give s*** line of sight.

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#405147 16-Nov-2010 01:44

Only people I know of where XT is considerably worse than CDMA are ones with phones with no brand ;) (or the iPhone) - the other ones seem to give a much better experiance.

Once CDMA finally dies, will that mean more HSPA carriers on what CDMA was on right away, or just leave it idle for now?

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#405151 16-Nov-2010 02:50

BarTender:

But in Norway I suspect you pay for your local calls? Kiwishare means that local calls are "free" for residential, but we do pay a high monthly charge just to have the analogue line.

Finland.. but a quick look at npt.no shows that the trends and even the figures are very similar in Norway as well.

We don't have Kiwishare type of agreement but there are both cheap local calls (0.01 NZD/minute) and long distance calls in the fixed network. But it's true that the slow demise of landlines has been accelerated by the more competitive mobile networks, especially for voice calls. You just don't get the same type of deals, packages and charge caps in the fixed network. In a fact a long distance call from the fixed network is more expensive than the same call from a mobile phone. And why pay 22 NZD/month for a landline when the monthly fee for mobile starts from 1 NZD/month.. Many people can do all their mobile calls for less than the landline would cost without any calls.

OH works in one of the regional big hospitals and she lost her landline recently. It's cheaper for organizations to make a mobile deal than operate their fixed infrastructure with the PBX'es, desktop phones and everything. Probably makes sense from the carrier perspective, too -- just need to make sure there's enough capacity available.

An interesting detail in this development are the emergency calls. When majority of the copper lines are used for DSL, if anything, the carriers just need to make sure that the cell towers work in a case of emergency. Also less requirements for the FTTx infrastructure as they are data-oriented.

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#406676 19-Nov-2010 11:31

Cymro:
Ragnor: It's not going to happen or at least would be a mistake unless Telecom divest Chorus completely.

The natural monopoly part (ie: putting fibre optic cables in the ground) and running it as open access by wholesaling to every ISP needs to be a completely separate company from the retail and marketing of plans/services to the end user.

That's exactly what they are proposing as part of the structural separation isn't it?

Ragnor:
Internet access needs to become a commodity/utility like power and water. Cheap, fast and ubiquitous.

Sorry but power/water prices are anything but cheap!

water is free? lol

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#406687 19-Nov-2010 11:47

Water is not free in some council areas.

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#406700 19-Nov-2010 12:17

freitasm: Water is not free in some council areas.

move to chch then ;P

its also free in kaiapoi.

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#406706 19-Nov-2010 12:30

hamish225:
freitasm: Water is not free in some council areas.

move to chch then ;P

its also free in kaiapoi.

I am not complaining, it's free where I live. I am explaining because it seems you didn't know it.

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#406708 19-Nov-2010 12:36

oh. why do some councills charge for it then? :s

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#406718 19-Nov-2010 12:56

Water isn't free anywhere you live in NZ.

Either you pay for it in one lump sum as part of your rates, otherwise some councils split it out as a separate charge by adding a water meter at your house and then charging you how much you actually use again as a separate line item in your rates.

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#406723 19-Nov-2010 13:11

LAC: Telecom will today step up its campaign to become the Government's broadband partner, releasing a poll on its website that says more Kiwis would prefer its network arm Chorus got the job of building the ultrafast broadband network than electricity lines companies headed by Vector.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/4336842/Telecom-pushes-for-broadband-partnership

What do you all think about this? Do you think its a good idea that Telecom rape this idea? Lol?! :(

I Say Chorus Is Way Bettter To Start Building A Firbe line

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#406725 19-Nov-2010 13:13

mikenzb:
LAC: Telecom will today step up its campaign to become the Government's broadband partner, releasing a poll on its website that says more Kiwis would prefer its network arm Chorus got the job of building the ultrafast broadband network than electricity lines companies headed by Vector.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/4336842/Telecom-pushes-for-broadband-partnership

What do you all think about this? Do you think its a good idea that Telecom rape this idea? Lol?! :(

I Say Chorus Is Way Bettter To Start Building A Firbe line

nono

because then there wont be competition between companys.

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