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DjShadow
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  #2210878 4-Apr-2019 19:02
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I wouldn't call it an upgrade.

 

Also can Vodafone ramp it up to 10 gigabit once Chorus release their 10G product?




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Sorry I was confusing FibreMax, with FibreX :)  Nothing to see here...more along *whistles*


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  #2210938 4-Apr-2019 20:56
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DjShadow:

I wouldn't call it an upgrade.


Also can Vodafone ramp it up to 10 gigabit once Chorus release their 10G product?



@DjShadow DOCSIS 3.1 supports up to 10Gbp/s down and 2Gbp/s up



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  #2211100 5-Apr-2019 08:44
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Linux:
DjShadow:

 

I wouldn't call it an upgrade.

 

 

 

Also can Vodafone ramp it up to 10 gigabit once Chorus release their 10G product?

 



@DjShadow DOCSIS 3.1 supports up to 10Gbp/s down and 2Gbp/s up

 

DOCSIS 3.1 full duplex supports 10Gbp/s down and 10Gbp/s up. And its probably going to still get even faster if/wehn DOCSIS 4 is ever released (60 Gbit/s speeds) . I don't buy into all of the hype that cable is on its way out. Its like saying ethernet cabling is also on its way out but that will still be around for a very long time and speeds continue to get even faster. At the end of the day, both fibre and cable are just different mediums that get broadband to your door. Even fibre has its limitations and its been proven already that fibre optic cables slow down the speed of light.


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  #2214712 10-Apr-2019 23:05
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BoerieGalore:

DOCSIS 3.1 full duplex supports 10Gbp/s down and 10Gbp/s up.



The full 10Gbps/10Gbps DOCSIS 3.1 requires massive amount of OFDM channels with pretty much perfect signal going up to around 1.8Ghz.

For comparison most splitters or connectors deployed are only rated for ~1Ghz. The next step was to deploy 'wide' channel for up to 1.2Ghz but there's nothing really on the market yet for those ~1.2Ghz equipment, let alone 1.8Ghz.

Also cable network is hard to maintain because something simple like your neighbour having some bad devices or wiring will cause interference/ingress on your line and give you a bunch of error or disconnect you from time to time.

Or it might be some stray wiring at the neighbour's house that will only kick you offline during the rain.

What might most likely happen is that vodafone is going to just leave their DOCSIS 3.1 network to rot and not maintain or upgrade it beyond the current capacity while everyone jumps towards true fibre. Eventually they will convert everyone to fibre and shut it all down.

The 'great' speed people have been getting on fibrex/cable is probably due to everyone leaving the network :>

If I dont mind the latency and the area has relatively problem free cable network, I'd sign up for fibre first for a few months to have everything setup and ready to go, then switch to cable and enjoy the cheaper prices. Then ditch cable and switch back to true fibre when the speed/price is leaning towards true fibre eg. when they have 2.5Gbps/5Gbps/10Gbps plans out.

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An upgrade path to unbundled UFB perhaps?

 

 

Would Chorus ever pay Vodafone for each HFC connection switched over?

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  #2214755 11-Apr-2019 07:27
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yitz: An upgrade path to unbundled UFB perhaps? Would Chorus ever pay Vodafone for each HFC connection switched over?

 

Except unbundled UFB will never happen on any large scale within the next 5-10 years simply because it simply doesn't stack up from a business perspective.

 

Even if costs were significantly less than Chorus proposed it still wouldn't make sense.

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 

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yitz: An upgrade path to unbundled UFB perhaps? Would Chorus ever pay Vodafone for each HFC connection switched over?

 

Why would they?

 

Chorus network is in the same areas as HFC, its open to anyone to use and get customers. Any competitive advantage HFC had has long been eroded and it's now just another network. The only small advantage now is that many houses were connected to cable, so it can be a little faster to turn on than the 'get UFB' experience, but that's it.

 

As far as Chorus (and Enable) are concerned... all they have to do is wait for all the connections to move over. How fast that happenes depends on how fast vodafone gives up on the network, which cant be far away now. 





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  #2214809 11-Apr-2019 09:20
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danza:

Also cable network is hard to maintain because something simple like your neighbour having some bad devices or wiring will cause interference/ingress on your line and give you a bunch of error or disconnect you from time to time.

Or it might be some stray wiring at the neighbour's house that will only kick you offline during the rain.

 

You could apply that exact same logic to Wifi, 3G/4G/5G or any other wireless technology. Sealed shielded cable will always be less prone to interference than radio waves that simply pass through the air.

 

danza:

The 'great' speed people have been getting on fibrex/cable is probably due to everyone leaving the network :>

 

So nothing to do with the recent upgrade to DOCSIS 3.1 then?



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Their social media team have confirmed if you have both Cable and UFB running past the house then you can pick either network to connect to, it will come down to which technology you have faith in but the selling point to me will be the min speed offering (UFB 100megabit and FibreX 200megabit)


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  #2272445 9-Jul-2019 16:20
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antoniosk:

 

yitz: An upgrade path to unbundled UFB perhaps? Would Chorus ever pay Vodafone for each HFC connection switched over?

 

Why would they?

 

Chorus network is in the same areas as HFC, its open to anyone to use and get customers. Any competitive advantage HFC had has long been eroded and it's now just another network. The only small advantage now is that many houses were connected to cable, so it can be a little faster to turn on than the 'get UFB' experience, but that's it.

 

As far as Chorus (and Enable) are concerned... all they have to do is wait for all the connections to move over. How fast that happenes depends on how fast vodafone gives up on the network, which cant be far away now. 

 

 

 

 

Why would they be getting rid of it? They own the network 100 percent. They don't have to pay 50 percent to Chorus... its has comaparable download speeds and the latency and download speed are damn good for older technology, barely negligible to be fair (with whats currently on offer residentially). It is also cheaper... you can get 10 bucks off if you have a plan with vodafone as well... so that 82.99 can be 72.99.

 

Its cheaper then the 100mbit offering on Fibre by about 30 bucks (40 bucks if you have vodafone cell)... and its 200mbit (no brainer unless your really really worried about that tiny ping ms variation)

 

Static IP free if you want it... (this may be compulsory actually)

 

I have it.. in saying that i am going to get fibre installed on a 1 month plan with Big Pipe... so I get the "free" (with a 1 month plan) install of Fibre before December 2019 when actual fibre installations stop being free.... "Future proof"

 

But for now... the price difference far outplays the minor benefits.


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I'd rather pay a few more dollars and have a stable, reliable connection that works any time I want it and doesn't suffer from congestion. You must have missed all the issues on cable not so long ago.

 

Also - who said installs would stop being free in December?


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  #2272572 9-Jul-2019 18:31
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FibreX congestion is no longer happening I believe

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  #2272587 9-Jul-2019 19:13
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Linux: FibreX congestion is no longer happening I believe

 

 

Agreed.

 

I have been on VF HFC cable in the once-notorious-for-congestion Island Bay area for 6 years, and have been on DOCSIS 3.1 since the day it was introduced in Feb 2019.

I am a Sam Knows tester on a "gigabit" HFC connection ("FibreX Max", now renamed "UltraFast HFC").

Peak hour congestion, formerly a very real nightmare, has gone away.

 

Here is my Sam Knows (local) downstream speed trace for the past week:

 





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quickymart:

I'd rather pay a few more dollars and have a stable, reliable connection that works any time I want it and doesn't suffer from congestion. You must have missed all the issues on cable not so long ago.


Also - who said installs would stop being free in December?



https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/chorus-government-agree-extend-free-ufb-installation-period-%E2%80%93-potentially-paid-two-year-debt

https://consumer.broadbandcompare.co.nz/n/free-fibre-installation

But I dunno..

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