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# 175749 10-Jul-2015 15:00
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Hey guys,

I am currently on Cable and believe I can now get Fibre. I did a search and have looked online but just wanted to check I have this right that from what I understand Cable is better?

I believe this to be because of what they call 'the last mile' so the wiring from the 'road' to your house. With Fibre it is still copper telephone and this is where Fibre looses speed. However with Cable is is Coaxial and therefore doesn't loose the speed.

The only benefit I beleive of getting Fibre is it allows speeds of over 100MBps but Cable only allows 100MBps? However I doubt I need more than 100MBps.

Thank you :)

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  # 1340668 10-Jul-2015 15:00
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  # 1340679 10-Jul-2015 15:05
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Realistically, fibre is your better choice here.

You are mistaken with what your reading online however, which is FTTC (VDSL) Not FTTH which is what ufb is here.

FTTC is often called fibre in the UK for some absurd reason.




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  # 1340681 10-Jul-2015 15:07
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UFB is fibre into the house to the ONT so your understanding is incorrect

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  # 1340682 10-Jul-2015 15:09
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Agree with above, looks like you're reading some UK material.

Can you get Vodafone UFB now in cable areas?

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  # 1340717 10-Jul-2015 15:47
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This wikipedia entry is worth reading to explain the different FTTx flavours.

FTTx = Fibre To The x
FTTN = Fibre To The Node; Fibre from the central exchange to the cabinet, then copper from the cabinet to the home. This is not normally referred to as fibre in NZ, despite it technically being an FTTx technology.
FTTH = Fibre To The Home; This is what you get when you order UFB from your ISP, more specifically GPON
UFB = Ultra-Fast Broadband; The name for the government program to roll-out FTTH to 80% of NZ households
GPON = Gigabit Passive Optical Network; The type of fibre network used for the rollout

Clear as mud? :-P 

Except in very unusual circumstances, in NZ your best option for an urban Internet connection is UFB/Fibre, Cable, VDSL, ADSL in that order.





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  # 1340719 10-Jul-2015 15:48
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DarkShadow: Agree with above, looks like you're reading some UK material.

Can you get Vodafone UFB now in cable areas?


Well I've been contacted by Spark and MyRepublic about switching to Fibre but not by Vodafone, which is odd as I'm with them currently.

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  # 1340721 10-Jul-2015 15:52
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i believe Vodafone dont offer fibre in an area where they offer cable

so if you want fibre you need to change ISP's

 
 
 
 




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  # 1340722 10-Jul-2015 15:53
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Jase2985: i believe Vodafone dont offer fiber in an area where they offer cable


Think I found the answer:
https://community.vodafone.co.nz/t5/Broadband-landline-packs/Vodafone-not-allowing-Fibre-in-Fibre-Cable-Areas/td-p/141421

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  # 1340933 11-Jul-2015 00:31
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leo0787sx: Hey guys,

I am currently on Cable and believe I can now get Fibre. I did a search and have looked online but just wanted to check I have this right that from what I understand Cable is better?

I believe this to be because of what they call 'the last mile' so the wiring from the 'road' to your house. With Fibre it is still copper telephone and this is where Fibre looses speed. However with Cable is is Coaxial and therefore doesn't loose the speed.

The only benefit I beleive of getting Fibre is it allows speeds of over 100MBps but Cable only allows 100MBps? However I doubt I need more than 100MBps.

Thank you :)


Neither one is superior or inferior and in regards to fibre depending on who you go through there are a large number of providers who offer voice services over fibre which means you don't need to have a copper line any more. As for the reason why one will go for one over another - it comes down to how easily it is to get it installed (I'm in the middle of dealing with an obstructionist landlord in the front property holding up the process) given that a good number of homes already have Vodafone cable installed.




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  # 1341087 11-Jul-2015 12:25
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kawaii: 

Neither one is superior or inferior and in regards to fibre depending on who you go through there are a large number of providers who offer voice services over fibre which means you don't need to have a copper line any more.


Fibre is superior.




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  # 1341670 12-Jul-2015 16:55
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Jut look at the congestion issues with Cable, you don't get that on fibre (or much of it)

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  # 1341694 12-Jul-2015 17:36
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Two years ago I moved from a "fibre" area to a "cable-but-no-fibre-until-2109" area.

Fibre is much better. No contest.

VF promise to fix their current severe cable congestion problem by September, but I'll believe it when I see it smile

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  # 1342015 13-Jul-2015 10:58
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Guess I'll have to move from Vodafone :( Not a biggie as my Sky is with Sky TV anyway, will only loose the $10 on mobile discount. Snap seems to have to best rated latency in NZ so probably go with them?

Which would be a good option? I stream HD and game on PS4/PC , usually have around 4 devices connected at one time and my Router is the Nighthawk AC1900.

100/20
200/20
200/200

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  # 1342049 13-Jul-2015 11:23
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leo0787sx: ... Which would be a good option? I stream HD and game on PS4/PC , usually have around 4 devices connected at one time and my Router is the Nighthawk AC1900.

100/20
200/20
200/200


Assuming that you can actually get these speeds, then 100/20 would do nicely.




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  # 1342051 13-Jul-2015 11:26
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leo0787sx: ... Which would be a good option? I stream HD and game on PS4/PC , usually have around 4 devices connected at one time and my Router is the Nighthawk AC1900.

100/20
200/20
200/200


Assuming that you can actually get these speeds, then 100/20 would do nicely.


I was on Cable 100/10 and hit 95/8 on speedtest. With cable 50/2 I get around 45/2.

So hopefully with Fibre I'll hit similar speeds of 95/8.

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