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#34055 17-May-2009 12:41
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Im not really sure what Im looking for with this post, other than perhaps people to confirm what Im thinking is correct. Ive read the VOIP forum back through the last 12 months and have a reasonable idea of what I want to do and I guess the purpost of this thread is to put it into writting for my own piece of mind and for some confirmation that Im on the right track :)


I currently have the Telstra triple pack, phone, digital tv with 40Gb @10Mb. Im more than happy with the cable stability and speed although I wouldnt say no to a higher cap! I am however very dissapointed with picture quality of the digital tv and frustrated at paying so much for a phone line that we rarely use, so here is my plan.


I only have the digital tv to watch the English football and nothing else. The season is almost at an end so I dont need it for a couple of months but to drop the tv from my package doesnt actually save me all that much, so I plan to ditch the phone line aswell.


I already have an HTPC doing everything I want tv-wise and have used Skype (with a DualPhone) for most national and all international calls for a few years now. Whilst the cost factor can outweigh the WAF factor for international calls, the poor national call quality doesnt cut the mustard according to my wife. I never use it so I cant really comment but we all know how important WAF is !


So I have a few questions for anyone who has been in my position or can offer some advice.


I want to go fully VOIP, obviously Im already using Skype and I have read up on the SkypeIn service which seems to do everything I would want it to do. However Ive also read plenty on here about 2Talk and their 2Talk500 package does seem to fit my requirements very well.


So what would peoples thoughts be on SkypeIn vs 2Talk500?


Am I right in thinking that the 2Talk package is more of a phone replacement whereas SkypeIn requires my HTPC to be on 24x7? SkypeIn is cheaper on a monthly basis but were only talking a couple of dollars a month and thats not enough to me to keep a machine running 24x7 (however I do have an ftp server in the garage thats on 24x7).


An added incentive would be to port my number to 2Talk and Ive heard the odd horror story of people who have tried this but ended up losing their number because they didnt do things in the correct order. Of course plenty of people have no trouble at all so Id like to know from experience whats the best way of doing it from my situation. Ditching the tv is easy, so do I then port the phone and in that process will Telstra revert me solely to their Internet plan?


Ive also read about the PAP2T device and just to clarify I could plug this into my cable router and not worry about having a pc on?


Ive just found a great thread from last year that pretty much confirms everything Ive asked about above, apart from the order to do things :)


One more question, will I need to purchase any more hardware, or theortically I could do everything using my current setup? I assume the best thing to do would be to get the 2Talk free package setup (using the dualphone which I assume is possible) and try that for a few weeks before making a commitment. That would give me an 028 number which I assume I would keep when moving to a 2Talk500 package and would become redundant should I port my current number.


Im just reading even further back in this forum and finding more about xnet. Is that something worth considering aswell? It seems that every thread I look at now is a toss up between xnet and 2Talk !


Any advice is greatfully appreciated and would love to hear if there is anything I should perhaps consider as well. Im just looking to save a bit of money and replace a landline with a more '21st century' approach.


Cheers
Martyn


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  #215357 17-May-2009 13:33
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martyyn: Ive also read about the PAP2T device and just to clarify I could plug this into my cable router and not worry about having a pc on ?


Well this part I can answer  Laughing

Yes, your PAP2T device plugs into the router, your phones then plug into it. No computer use is required and it has the added bonus that you can use any telephone to plug into the PAP2T device. My cordless unit with 2 handsets works just fine.

2Talk becomes your phone replacement. If you can, it's worth getting your number ported over if you go to 2Talk IMO. Even basic stuff of giving out your phone number to a shop/friend/business/whatever . .  saves having to explain "yes, 028 is a working number and it's ok" only to discover their PABX system isn't setup to dial 028 (see the other threads about that issue). Keeping things simple for others can go a long way.

Do Telstra do unbundled ADSL service though ?



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  #215358 17-May-2009 13:35
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Skype uses it's own propreitory P2P protcol and is not compatible with SIP which is now pretty much the industry standard for VoIP. This means you cannot use your dualphone for anything but Skype. It will not work with any other VoIP provider.



If you want to use VFX or 2talk you will need to buy something like a PAP2T, SPA2102 or a dedicated SIP phone. You then just plug this into your router and don't need a PC turned on. The only thing to be aware of is that if you have a router that does not support QoS or doesn't have QoS enabled and you accessing the internet at the same time as making a call you do run the risk of poor audio quality.



I wouldn't even bother with SkypeIN but then again I'm not a fan of Skype. Both 2talk and VFX are IMHO far superior products for calling, particularly if you want to have a true landline replacement.




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  #215359 17-May-2009 13:38
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PromNZ:
Do Telstra do unbundled ADSL service though ?


The OP is on Telstra Cable which has always been available by itself with no requirement for a phoneline in the 12 or years it's been available.



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  #215360 17-May-2009 13:44
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Ahh. Learn something new every day :-)

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  #215369 17-May-2009 15:01
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Thanks everyone,

I expect the PAP2T is compulsory, so are there any recommendations out there? Or is it fine just to roll up a dedicated SIP phone? Again any suggestions to look at?


Yes, Telstra has an internet only option and Ive always been happy with the stability and speed.


As for a router I have my Telstra modem connected to a Linksys WRT54G. I see that has QoS options on it (which are currently disabled) and I guess that means I can give the 'phone line' priority over any internet usage.


So it looks like Skype would do the job, but perhaps be nowhere near as good as either xnet or 2talk so Ill be looking into those instead.




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  #215370 17-May-2009 15:17
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martyyn: Thanks everyone,


I expect the PAP2T is compulsory, so are there any recommendations out there? Or is it fine just to roll up a dedicated SIP phone? Again any suggestions to look at?



Really depends what your budget is and how many phones you want in the house.

Most people these days seem to use cordless phones at home so the advantage of an ATA is that you can hook several analogue phones up incl a cordless.

If you opt for SIP VoIP phones you're looking at ~$150 minimum for decent phones and well over double this if you want a cordless VoIP phone which can either be DECT or WiFi based.


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  #215389 17-May-2009 16:45
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Well I have two panasonic cordless phones that I would like to use as a start so perhaps a PAP2T would be best to being with.

 
 
 

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  #215422 17-May-2009 21:15
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martyyn: ...
I assume the best thing to do would be to get the 2Talk free package setup (using the dualphone which I assume is possible) and try that for a few weeks before making a commitment. That would give me an 028 number which I assume I would keep when moving to a 2Talk500 package and would become redundant should I port my current number.

Just one little thing that should be pointed out regarding 028 numbers is that they cost callers to your number the same as a land-mobile call i.e. approx. 30 to 50c per min. depending on what plan you're on.

Depending on your lady, the WAF may not be good in this respect.  In my case, she has various friends who like to call and talk for hours (literally) so a normal landline type number was a must.

For the sake of $15 per month, you would be better signing up for the second-cheapest 2Talk plan which gives you a local number in your region.  Then I guess you could port your existing SkypeIn number in place of it later, assuming the SkypeIn number is in the local calling region you require.

I have Xnet's VFX at one property, and 2Talk at the other.  There is little to choose between them now, but here are a couple of minor differences for you to consider:

-  Xnet VFX is more turn-key because they download a profile to your ATA which takes care of all the setup

-  If you like to tinker with all the SIP settings, 2Talk would be the best idea but it takes quite a bit more work to get setup initially

-  I notice slightly more echo coming back when talking to the phone that uses 2Talk.  Mainly for this reason, Xnet VFX has a slight edge in terms of audio quality, but it's only very slight.  Most people wouldn't notice.

HTH,
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  #215493 18-May-2009 00:43
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sbiddle:
If you opt for SIP VoIP phones you're looking at ~$150 minimum for decent phones and well over double this if you want a cordless VoIP phone which can either be DECT or WiFi based.



I'd stay away from the Wifi based phones, I've found the battery life to be pretty bad. I've got the Siemens C470IP DECT based VOIP phone, it works pretty well and you can have up to 6 SIP accounts on it and connect multiple DECT handsets to it.

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  #215505 18-May-2009 06:42
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meesham:
sbiddle:
If you opt for SIP VoIP phones you're looking at ~$150 minimum for decent phones and well over double this if you want a cordless VoIP phone which can either be DECT or WiFi based.



I'd stay away from the Wifi based phones, I've found the battery life to be pretty bad. I've got the Siemens C470IP DECT based VOIP phone, it works pretty well and you can have up to 6 SIP accounts on it and connect multiple DECT handsets to it.


It really depends what you're after. Both have significant advantages and disadvantages and you have to decide what's best for an individual deployment.


WiFi wins because it scales far better and allows access from multiple sites but DECT has potentially far better coverage with fewer access point and does have better battery life and a telephony based architecture.




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  #215540 18-May-2009 10:05
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As you are new to VoIP, I'd suggest start out simple and go with VFX from WorldxChange, using approved hardware.
My recommendation would be to purchase a Linksys WRP400. This would replace your existing WRT54G and handle QoS. These are a very solid device, and are also what they use in the fibre to home locations, so can handle a fair amount of bandwidth. (Unlike the SPA2102, that seems to top out at around 7MBps).
You can get these for around $200+GST.




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I was faced with the dilemma of needed additional phone lines for my business. While I had used Skype, after "shopping around" and reviewing the various offerings I opted for 2Talk as it seemed to offer me the best value for money.



I found it incredibly easy to configure my 4 handsets (3 LevelOne VOIP phones & 1 Grandstream VOIP phone) even though only the Grandstream has an installation guide on the 2Talk web site.

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  #227081 21-Jun-2009 06:13
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Thanks for the advice sbiddle i was stuck to just skype for calling international, but now thinking of changing the whole setup at office to voip.

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  #227094 21-Jun-2009 09:42
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Just get a VFX account, port your number to it and use their ATA devices. This way you keep your current number, use an out-of-the-box solution and people calling you won't pay extra because of your new 028 number if you go with 2Talk.
Skype is not good enough - no number portability, poor or non-existant customer service and so on.

I have VFX at home on a TelstraClear cable-modem connection, with a PAP2T box. It just happens that the handset plugged to that PAP2T is a DualPhone so I get my standard number and my Skype calls on the same handset - one via VoIP the other over Skype. No I don't use SkypeIN - this is mainly for Skype to Skype calls. I am just using the DualPhone to make it more "portable".





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  #227095 21-Jun-2009 09:43
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Also, I do have a 2Talk number, that I use sometimes when travelling. Actually I don't use it much these days, since I can call from my laptop to home (Skype to Skype) for free and my wife only has to pickup the phone to talk (no software at home).





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