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#1535069 18-Apr-2016 15:45

Talkiet:

Sheesh - Windows 10 for me has been better in every way that matters (to me) than windows 8.1 (or 8, or 7, or Vista, or 2000, or NT4, or 98, or 95, or 3.11, or 2, or DOS 6.22, or DOS 3.3... or... Ok, that's as far back as my personal expereince with MS OSes goes - actually it might go further but I can't remember the DOS version numbers.

Cheers - N

In what ways are those?

Disk usage? windows 95 ran in less than 50MB. My less than 2 months old Windows 10 runs in ( just let me check my windows folders ....) holy bloatware batman, 17GB and climbing.

Memory Usage? My windows XP ran in 70Mb (and that's SP3 not SP1 or prior) while with 1 windows firefox and 1 edge window open and VMWare app turned off I am using 3GB of ram. Smothering smoke stacks Robin, I do believe you're right, it is bloatware.

Network congestion? Windows XP added a lot of congestion compared to NT / 2000 but nothing compared to Window X.

Pop up notifications - Seriously, how do you kill them all - even with the service turned off it's doing it.

Workflow ? if this were a STEPs programme it would fail, double the number of clicks to do almost anything.

Compatibility? With UEFI startup, co-sharing with other OS is difficult and booting off external anything presents some hellish problems of having to change BIOS / CMOS settings.

Interoperabillity? It hates flash, java, anything not signed by who ever, apps run from locations such as c:\ ( winpay, myob etc all need permissions sorted ) and portable apps need to be run from desktop.

Interference by MS - Only vista with its inital UAC issues seems or feels worse than this.

Advertising - Say what? This is MY laptop paid for by me - who gives anyone the right to invade my private property to serve up advertising?

Droppage of network tools ( Can you spell goodbye to telnet, and other similar tools?).

and the list goes on.

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#1535085 18-Apr-2016 16:05

nunz:

.... whatever MS were up to was complete.

45 minutes later my disk usage is still at 100% and more of my working life wasted as tile updates, geolocation, and goodness knows what other kak I don't use and thought I had turned off updates itself.

This got me thinking. Surely Windows can't be that bloated to need all that disk space. And what about all those "features" that no-one uses? And all the patches... surely Windows can't be that bad that you desperately need to download GB every week just to keep it from crashing or being taken over by malware? I mean, who in their right mind would pay for crap that bad! Yet MS continues to make billions of dollars.

I have a theory which neatly accounts for all these anomalies....

You know all this cloud computing and storage and so on? Well, guess where it gets done? On. Your. OWN. Computer!

(Well, actually on someone else's computer, and later *their* cloud computing gets done on yours, which amounts to the same thing). MS isn't downloading patches and installing them... they're downloading someone else's YouTube videos onto your computer, and running someone's online CAD & game sessions there. They just rotate this work around all the Windows installations around the world for an hour at a time each, effectively using all their users' computers & bandwidth to provide the cloud computing facilities.

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#1535087 18-Apr-2016 16:08

Neat theory. I mean, totally utterly b4tsh1t crazy and wrong... But neat.

Please note all comments are from my own brain and don't necessarily represent the position or opinions of my employer, previous employers, colleagues, friends or pets.

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#1535088 18-Apr-2016 16:08

frankv:

nunz:

.... whatever MS were up to was complete.

45 minutes later my disk usage is still at 100% and more of my working life wasted as tile updates, geolocation, and goodness knows what other kak I don't use and thought I had turned off updates itself.

This got me thinking. Surely Windows can't be that bloated to need all that disk space. And what about all those "features" that no-one uses? And all the patches... surely Windows can't be that bad that you desperately need to download GB every week just to keep it from crashing or being taken over by malware? I mean, who in their right mind would pay for crap that bad! Yet MS continues to make billions of dollars.

I have a theory which neatly accounts for all these anomalies....

You know all this cloud computing and storage and so on? Well, guess where it gets done? On. Your. OWN. Computer!

(Well, actually on someone else's computer, and later *their* cloud computing gets done on yours, which amounts to the same thing). MS isn't downloading patches and installing them... they're downloading someone else's YouTube videos onto your computer, and running someone's online CAD & game sessions there. They just rotate this work around all the Windows installations around the world for an hour at a time each, effectively using all their users' computers & bandwidth to provide the cloud computing facilities.

Oooohhh ..... Plus 1 to this post for it's conspiracy / paranoia levels.

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#1535093 18-Apr-2016 16:26

Stuff will be writing an article on this any second now, lol.

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#1535101 18-Apr-2016 16:51

Talkiet:

Neat theory. I mean, totally utterly b4tsh1t crazy and wrong... But neat.

Looking forward to seeing *your* theory that explains what's going on!

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#1535108 18-Apr-2016 17:03

I'm not a big fan of acer, so I would like to pin it on that, but really this seems too extreme. 5000rpm HDD?

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#1535115 18-Apr-2016 17:16

Ah good old moving part hard-drives. I got a new laptop about a month ago which hard a HDD, day 2 I went and got a SSD, now everything is sweet :)

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#1535218 18-Apr-2016 21:42

gzt: I'm not a big fan of acer, so I would like to pin it on that, but really this seems too extreme. 5000rpm HDD?

Std 5400 RPM, 1TB Western Digital by the looks of it. not extremely fast, but doesn't account for the times spent starting compared to Windows 7.

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#1535244 18-Apr-2016 22:42

Ya. Good point. Check HDD driver, SATA driver, partition alignment.

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#1535296 19-Apr-2016 07:05

nunz:

Oooohhh ..... Plus 1 to this post for it's conspiracy / paranoia levels.

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#1535299 19-Apr-2016 07:32

frankv:

nunz:

Oooohhh ..... Plus 1 to this post for it's conspiracy / paranoia levels.

Ouch!

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#1535303 19-Apr-2016 07:43

frankv:

nunz:

.... whatever MS were up to was complete.

45 minutes later my disk usage is still at 100% and more of my working life wasted as tile updates, geolocation, and goodness knows what other kak I don't use and thought I had turned off updates itself.

This got me thinking. Surely Windows can't be that bloated to need all that disk space. And what about all those "features" that no-one uses? And all the patches... surely Windows can't be that bad that you desperately need to download GB every week just to keep it from crashing or being taken over by malware? I mean, who in their right mind would pay for crap that bad! Yet MS continues to make billions of dollars.

I have a theory which neatly accounts for all these anomalies....

You know all this cloud computing and storage and so on? Well, guess where it gets done? On. Your. OWN. Computer!

(Well, actually on someone else's computer, and later *their* cloud computing gets done on yours, which amounts to the same thing). MS isn't downloading patches and installing them... they're downloading someone else's YouTube videos onto your computer, and running someone's online CAD & game sessions there. They just rotate this work around all the Windows installations around the world for an hour at a time each, effectively using all their users' computers & bandwidth to provide the cloud computing facilities.

I just had to check my watch.

whew, its not 1 April

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#1535317 19-Apr-2016 08:17

has anyone thought that just simply be the operator in this case. If you want fast load up times on any pc you use SD drive or SDHD rather than standard drive . I upgrade a old laptop number years ago and can be in word typing less than 15 sec using windows 10 . Make me wonder why making such comments about windows 10 very amusing

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#1535341 19-Apr-2016 09:10

nunz:

gzt: I'm not a big fan of acer, so I would like to pin it on that, but really this seems too extreme. 5000rpm HDD?

Std 5400 RPM, 1TB Western Digital by the looks of it. not extremely fast, but doesn't account for the times spent starting compared to Windows 7.

No idea why, but Windows 8, 8.1, and 10 really seem to suffer with slow HDD's. I have noticed it going from a 5400 RPM drive which was painful to a 7200 and then a 5400rpm SSHD, all made things a lot better. Going to SSD has made it fly. A computer is only as fast as it's weakest link and in this case a 5400 rpm drive is definitely the weakest link. 7 didn't seem too bad on a 5400 rpm drive, but maybe it was tuned for the standard hardware at the time which was slow and new builds of Windows are tuned to expect faster storage. Also Telnet still exists, just enable it.

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