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chakkaradeep
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#84907 2-Sep-2007 15:28
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I am not telling Mac is an intrusive, annoying beast, but just like that telling Windows is based on some incident is.. Embarassed




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  #84910 2-Sep-2007 16:29
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I have to say that whoever the administrator is for that computer has to learn how to handle updates.

See, that's the thing - even my Mum can handle updates on OSX. And for the record, saying Windows is intrusive is not based on one incident, it's based on 10 years of working with 98, Me, 2000, and XP. Honestly, OSX is like a breath of fresh air after so many years of frustration.




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  #84911 2-Sep-2007 16:41
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spazz:
See, that's the thing - even my Mum can handle updates on OSX. And for the record, saying Windows is intrusive is not based on one incident, it's based on 10 years of working with 98, Me, 2000, and XP. Honestly, OSX is like a breath of fresh air after so many years of frustration.


I can see you as Mac fan and sure I am not going to stop you, lol. But being that please don't come to the suggestions that other OS is bad. It might have been bad to you and you do have rights to tell that its bad for you. Vista has been so good to me, but that doesn't mean that Vista is great ;). Hope you get that :)






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  #85712 7-Sep-2007 09:53
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Here you go, I was able to take the screen-shot now,








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  #88330 27-Sep-2007 16:17
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but I have to say that when I installed Windows XP on a brand new PC I had to download some updates, to a tune of about 200MB. But this Mac OS 10.4.8 here is downloading 450 MB of updates!


Updates on any Operating system are a way of life everyone should get used to, who cares how big they are as long as they work, stop whining and get on with it, and while your at it get a better broadband package ya sniveling girls.

If you look closely at whats being updated under XP, it is primarily security patches, larger .net, media player updates with a few driver updates to be installed, assuming your machine has XP SP2 installed - this scenario suits me just fine.
If you take a look at the Mac OSX updates you will find a completely different scenario one which as a predominant XP user I would like to see happen in XP/vista, the core OS updates are there encompassing the majority of security patches and fixes, since your machine came bundeled with 10.4.8 it had 3 revisions to catch up on, about 55Mb 68Mb and 48Mb the remainder of the updates you encountered were minor updates in between and heres the main bulk of the updates, all the handy programs your mac was sold with, Photo management iPhoto, HD video editing software iMovie, HD DVD Authouring software iDVD, Web Authoring application iWeb, music editing software garageband, iTunes/Quicktime, and theres also the Office products Numbers/Keynote/pages in demo state, these will also update, then add the machines firmware updates too, I cant see XP doing this.
Bringing your iTunes/Quicktime up to date is 48Mb - this is is done separate in XP, the remainder of bundelled software all gets updated at the same time on a mac, if XP/vista was to update similar bundeled software ummm hmmm movie maker (what a joke) as well, you most likely would see similar figures.
Note: MS Office has its own update site similar to windows update, perhaps vista has encorporated the two, I'll look tonight.

Once again stop whining and just do it!




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#88336 27-Sep-2007 16:34
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MoneyShotMan: Updates on any Operating system are a way of life everyone should get used to, who cares how big they are as long as they work, stop whining and get on with it, and while your at it get a better broadband package ya sniveling girls.


Welcome to Geekzone. I see you are not afraid of trolling the Admin on your first day around.

FYI, since it doesn't look like you read the post, I am not complaining about my broadband. If you had just read around before posting you would see that I am one of the few lucky people to actually have a broadband connection that delivers more than promised - yes, I am not using DSL, and I am happy with my TCL cable service.

MoneyShotMan: If you look closely at whats being updated under XP, it is primarily security patches, larger .net, media player updates with a few driver updates to be installed, assuming your machine has XP SP2 installed - this scenario suits me just fine.

If you take a look at the Mac OSX updates you will find a completely different scenario one which as a predominant XP user I would like to see happen in XP/vista,


Ithink you should have a look on Apple's change logs - they had a few dozens security updates this year alone

MoneyShotMan: Once again stop whining and just do it!


I think you need to get a lesson in irony and sarcasm. My post wasn't complaining about having to do updates, because those are a fact of life. And I know this better than you do, believe me. My post was a shot at people who says that Mac OS do not have updates or that Windows has more than Mac OS.

Got it now?

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Time to brace oneself for more updates. Quicktime 7.3 52MB, iTunes 7.5 41MB
and for those with Leopard installed, 10.5.1 is on it's way!

barf: yes, the mac updates are atrocious !
can you imagine how many gigs classrooms of Macs use to update?!
I setup squid proxy at sites with many macs but a 2GB cache is not even enough to cache them all.

Would it not be easier to use Apple Remote Desktop and use a task server to install all the updates on each machine, using a single download of the installation files?


spazz: Anyway. This argument is pointless. Windows is an intrusive, annoying beast. 
NB: I have no experience with Vista so I can't comment, but given XP's ubiquity, it's a more relevant comparison.

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  #94756 12-Nov-2007 04:25
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MattD: Time to brace oneself for more updates. Quicktime 7.3 52MB, iTunes 7.5 41MB
and for those with Leopard installed, 10.5.1 is on it's way!

barf: yes, the mac updates are atrocious !
can you imagine how many gigs classrooms of Macs use to update?!
I setup squid proxy at sites with many macs but a 2GB cache is not even enough to cache them all.

Would it not be easier to use Apple Remote Desktop and use a task server to install all the updates on each machine, using a single download of the installation files?


spazz: Anyway. This argument is pointless. Windows is an intrusive, annoying beast. 
NB: I have no experience with Vista so I can't comment, but given XP's ubiquity, it's a more relevant comparison.

You are coming to a sad realisation, Cancel or Allow.....     allow...



That is the one thing I do loath about Apple; the size of iTunes and how it has exploded in size; mind you, give that it'll now include PPC/x86/ppc64/x64 code all rolled up in a ball, I guess its the price one has to pay for compatibility. Hopefully as broadband becomes cheaper and more accessible, the pain of updates should subside - in theory atleast.

As for security, here is a good laugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAJDbV9Vfs :)

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And today, as part of the OS X 10.4.11 update (which ranges in size from 67 - 322MB), Apple has released the NZ daylight savings patch to the general public!

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/11/14/apple_releases_mac_os_x_10_4_11_update_for_tiger_users.html

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One thing that I would really like to see is all software installed on the machine using Software Update.

So rather than each individual application checking for new updates when they are started, I think it would be good for them to just use Software Update.

I think this would make things a bit tidier and feel more integrated.

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  #95740 18-Nov-2007 06:12
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Not sure what you mean - are you referring to applications that are not developed by Apple.  Software Update checks for updates to all Apple applications, operating system and firmware updates.  Recently a single update covered all of the iLife apps, OS-X, and Aperture.

An API to integrate third party apps into the software update process would be good.

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  #95759 18-Nov-2007 11:20
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I know exactly what you're after, try downloading AppFresh from http://metaquark.de/appfresh/ It works reasonably well, (some things it doesn't pick up) but you can always fix up one or two discrepancies manually from within the program.

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  #95800 18-Nov-2007 20:51
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MattD: An API to integrate third party apps into the software update process would be good.


Yeah, I would love to see it.

Thanks for that link Munchkin, unfortunately I'm running Leopard and the home page says Tiger only. :(

I will check back in a few weeks. :)

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  #95817 18-Nov-2007 22:05
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I use AppFresh on Leopard - it crashed on the first launch, but ran perfectly fine after that. The development hasn't changed since March I think (from reading the dev blog) so I'm not counting on an update any time soon.

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