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#10665 4-Dec-2006 12:50
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I'm posting this as a bit of a 'buyer beware' type story... apologies for the length of the post in advance :)

Saturday morning we head out to buy a new lawnmower. Went to Placemakers first, they had a good deal on a Morrison 350ST (usually $499, reduced to $399). I decided to check over the road at Bunnings before purchasing. Bunnings had the same model for $425. Now, Bunnings heavily advertise their 'price promise', where they will beat a competitor's price by 15% on the same stocked item, even if the competitor has it on sale. Great, I thought, I can get this for $399 - 15% = $339. Compared with the RRP of $499, that's a hefty discount.

We told the Bunnings store guy about the cheaper Placemakers deal, he was surprised but said "sure, we just need to check the Placemakers price". He called Placemakers, waited on hold for 5 minutes, and as soon as he said he was calling from Bunnings for a price check, he got hung up on. He got his supervisor to call, and she was told "no, the price on the 350ST is $499, it is not on sale". We were a bit miffed, as we had seen the large sign outside Placemakers clearly advertising it for $399. So, with Bunnings (understandably) unable to help us, we went back across to Placemakers.

The sign was still out front, clearly the 350ST, clearly for $399. Once inside, we spoke with someone who appeared to be managerial:

Us - "Hi, you have a sign outside for the Morrison 350ST mower, what's the price on that?"
Her - "That's on special for $399"
Us - "OK, how come when Bunnings called 5 minutes ago to check the price you told them $499?"
Her (with a straight face) - "Oh, Bunnings like to play games with us, so we play games with them. They started this."
Us (in disbelief) - "So, you are telling us that you have this mower on sale for $399, that is your advertised price, yet you refuse to tell Bunnings that when they call and ask to check?"
Her - "Yes. We realise it's petty."

So, we asked her to write the advertised price down on a piece of paper. She was hesitant, then wrote a little note on a yellow post-it (which was obviously worthless). We asked her to write it again on a piece of Placemakers paper, and she told us there was "none about" (translation: "No, I refuse to do that"). So, we were surprised, annoyed, and a bit stuck.

After five minutes of stewing, we drove home, got the digital camera, drove back to Placemakers, took a photo of the large chalk board outside the store, and headed back to Bunnings. When we told them the story of our visit to Placemakers and showed the photo, they said that sort of thing didn't surprise them at all, telling us they regularly get hung up on when calling Placemakers to check prices. They sympathised with us, and agreed (as they are obliged to) to give us the mower for $339.

The ironic thing is that I'm almost certain Bunnings would have lost money on the sale (we heard the sales guy saying "if such and such complains about this, I'll tell him the story, we have to sell it at this price..."). While I realise that the lady at Placemakers was trying to keep a sale and not give it to Bunnings, the end result is Placemakers have left us with a bad taste in the mouth.

So, at the end of the day, we got a great price on a lawnmower, but the moral of the story is sometimes you need to persevere to get a good deal!



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  #54599 4-Dec-2006 12:57
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If I were you I'd write a letter to Placemakers telling them they lost a sale. Say that you are a loyal customer who would have paid more but the petty way you were treated made you go elsewhere to buy it.




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  #56476 28-Dec-2006 12:44
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I was pleased with my experience. I decided I was going to buy the Morrison 350ST having first seen it a Bunnings for $425. Then I phoned around 5-6 retailers and got prices on mowers in the ~$400 range and found Pakuranga Placemakers the same 350ST for $399. So I phoned Bunnings, told them, gave them the number of Placemakers and asked the to check the price and ring me back. They did so, and I went and so I went purchased the mower from Bunnings for $399 less $15% of $399 = $339. Nice price, saving over $80 for my efforts.

If I were Bunnings I'd now drop my price to $395 and that way they don't have to discount to $339. Also makes it "fairer" for Placemakers and other competitors to Bunnings to lessen the chance of lost business on just a difference of a couple of dollars rather than the ~$60 I saved.

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  #1438869 1-Dec-2015 21:07
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I dredged this one up from 9 years ago in case anyone is thinking of using the above tactic (as I just did) to buy a mower for this summer.

I had a quite similar experience as above, with different retailers, spotting one mower on special at one place, and getting other retailer to beat by 15% meant I paid 70% of normal price. A quite expensive mower also.

When I asked about the price match, I did it over the phone and provided the required information. But then I was called back and told "Sorry we cannot do the price match as it is a different model"...

To explain, over the last year Briggs and Stratton have been replacing their side valve motors (148, 158, 190cc) with OHV (Overhead valve) motors in various displacements (125, 140, 150, 190cc and a few others), and what is happening A LOT is mowers in brochures and on webpages are not up to date with the updated engines. Same mowers, just they have replaced the engines with the "superseded" units.

In my case, the manufacturer has replaced a 190cc motor with a 140cc ohv motor, but the stock still floating around stores are the old motors. So while the price comparison was identical stocked mower at both retailers, from the supplier the motor differed so it was used as an out not to price match. Well that was until I proved through model numbers they were all one and the same.

Point here is if you are trying to get a price promise, do a bit of research first so they don't say "Oh no they aren't the same model" when the out of date websites conflict with actual product descriptions.

Upon the retailer making a second call to the other one, I was puzzled by why they identified themselves on the phone, because surely then the second retailer can guess is it a price/stock check for a price promise and that if they cooperate then they will be losing a potential customer for sure. In this case, the second retailer tried to argue they were not in fact on special (when the website clearly shows they are), and I had a photo on my phone of the sale price because I was just in there an hour prior :/



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  #1438876 1-Dec-2015 21:13
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I think it is a little unfair on Placemakers.  It is not up to them to 'play-ball' with the competition.  Why should they?  Same with Bunnings.  The stupidity comes from the guy identifying himself as from Bunnings when he called, knowing he would get that response and trying not to have to honor the deal.  I am surprised they even offered to ring TBH.  

Yes due diligence often wins.  

 

 




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  #1438890 1-Dec-2015 21:23
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scuwp: The stupidity comes from the guy identifying himself as from Bunnings when he called, knowing he would get that response and trying not to have to honor the deal.


Precisely. If you are the competition company, and want a genuine answer, surely then one would want identity to remain anonymous.

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  #1438920 1-Dec-2015 22:02
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that's a whole lotta hard work. pays off in the end obviously if you're not short on time or energy.

regarding taking photos, once I was in a norman ross store looking at photos on my phone that I had taken in a store in Singapore and having a chuckle to myself at the price differences (they were a good 50% cheaper in .sg).  next thing this guy has a go at me for taking photos. I proudly showed him what I was doing and he apologised explaining that they had to discourage customers from taking photos just to walk a few steps over to the opposition to get better prices.




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  #1438940 1-Dec-2015 22:29
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Did you not have a camera on your phone? That would have been my first thought.

They really aren't too keen on competition round here, are they?!





 
 
 

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  #1438958 1-Dec-2015 22:59
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My funny story about the whole price promise thing is that i went to bunnings to buy a power tool and ask them to beat mitre 10's price but when they looked at the ad i had it the wrong way round, bunnings was cheaper, i was quite embarrass but bunnings said they would take 15% off anyway for my troubles.

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  #1438973 1-Dec-2015 23:49
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Geektastic: Did you not have a camera on your phone? That would have been my first thought. <snip>


Haha, look at the date on the OP. Smartphones were just a glimmer in Bill Gates eyes, and feature phones has terrible cameras.

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  #1438976 2-Dec-2015 00:02
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scuwp: I think it is a little unfair on Placemakers.  It is not up to them to 'play-ball' with the competition.  Why should they?  Same with Bunnings.  The stupidity comes from the guy identifying himself as from Bunnings when he called, knowing he would get that response and trying not to have to honor the deal.  I am surprised they even offered to ring TBH.  

Yes due diligence often wins.  

 

 


I think the whole price match thing should be banned, because often it is impossible to ever qualify, and it gives the impression of a very competitive market. This is because different store brand get their products with slightly different specifications, so the bar code / SKU is different. The SKU is therefore often only sold by one brand of store, so there is no competitor to ever price match the product. They will often only match if the SKUs match.  Not only this, but consumers often have to jump through hoops to get the store to validate a valid claim. May take upto 30 minutes of phoning etc. As shown in this case, the stores staff  also may play silly buggers with one another, which is unprofessional. They should have a better way of managing their price promises, so customers aren't inconvenienced, like they currently are. Taking photos is the best option to prove it. If they tell you not to, what are they going to really do about it? Especially as these are the same types of store who offer the price promise in the first place. If they tell you not to take photos, ask for a quote card from the manager.  You can vote with your feet if you are not happy with the way the store staff treat you.That said, when I have got a price match, and don't have a print out showing the price, they often just take my word for it, so the staff in the stores tend to do the right thing.

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  #1438977 2-Dec-2015 00:03
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Fabian: My funny story about the whole price promise thing is that i went to bunnings to buy a power tool and ask them to beat mitre 10's price but when they looked at the ad i had it the wrong way round, bunnings was cheaper, i was quite embarrass but bunnings said they would take 15% off anyway for my troubles.

 

I find bunnings is often the cheapest. They  also have cheaper building products I have found, and they do give good trade discounts.

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  #1439000 2-Dec-2015 07:04
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BTW - Your new lawn mower has a steel deck so you need to keep it pretty clean to stop it from rusting. Alloy deck lawn mowers are a lot easier to maintain.




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  #1439001 2-Dec-2015 07:05
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In all this I can see why placemakers would refuse to disclose the price, but not why they would lie about it. Surely it's better to refuse to play the game than outright lie.

When I worked at a petrol station be never gave out fuel prices over the phone, even if we knew the person. The risk of getting it wrong was too great as they could change without warning.

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  #1439242 2-Dec-2015 13:08
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mattwnz: 

I think the whole price match thing should be banned, because often it is impossible to ever qualify, and it gives the impression of a very competitive market.



Continuing this old thread unnecessarily, but I got a Dewalt table saw for $710 from Mitre10 (their usual price was $1099) as bunnings had it on sale for $835
They didn't muck me about, I had a photo of the bunnings price, models matched.

the store manager had to come over and deal with me to give the discount, but it was pretty painless.
I expected that they would try to wiggle out of it.





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