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#168490 16-Mar-2015 10:53
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How do people feel about country of origin labelling? 

I like to know where stuff I eat - in particular - is made. But this isn't a legal requirement for our food in NZ. I respond to that by not buying stuff that doesn't clearly say where it is made. Sure...it may contain ingredients from elsewhere, but I want to know where it was finally made and packaged. A can of soup from NZ may well contain pepper from Mexico. No problem. But the soup in the can was made and packaged in NZ. That's what I want to know. 

I'm general able to get whatever I want with a country name attached. That's good. 

However...in the area of personal hygiene it becomes a little more difficult. For example, in most supermarkets Colgate toothpastes are 75% or more of the toothpastes on offer. As far as I can tell, none of them say where they are made. Could be anywhere: India, China, Thailand....no idea. Not a clue. Macleans is also usually sold though the range is much smaller. But at least they declare clearly Macleans toothpaste is made in South Africa. 

Well....I'm not happy putting toothpaste in my mouth without some idea of where it comes from. New Zealand does zero (or close to it) product safety testing and instead relies on people getting sick first and then moving to fix the problem after. It's cheaper. So I tend to err on the side of caution. 

Ok...so we have 'no-idea' Colgate and South African Macleans (a country I'm told is becoming increasingly chaotic and corrupt with every passing year). How can I be (relatively) sure these products are safe? 

What are the alternatives? Turns out, there are some. Google was my friend. "Red Seal" make several flavours of toothpaste in Auckland. I have ordered one of each from their web site. The prices are about $4.20 / each - roughly comparable to what you'd pay at Countdown or New World or wherever. But the product is made in NZ and I feel - (entirely subjective, sure) better about buying them.  

You can also obtain "Grants" toothpastes online. They are made in Australia. 

I'm going through the other toiletries to see if there are other local substitutes I can buy to counter the push to no-origin/ unknown products from the global multi-nationals. 

Anyone else interested in this? If nothing else, it does appear we do have choices - both in terms of country of origin labelling and in terms of being locally made - if it is a concern to us. 

(Disclaimer: I don't have any relationship with Red Seal or Grants other than as an occasional customer). 





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  #1260103 16-Mar-2015 11:05
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"How do people feel about country of origin labelling?"

Consumers like it.
I like it.
Manufacturers and retailers hate it (for good and bad reasons).
The Government doesn't care.
Guess who wins?




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  #1260104 16-Mar-2015 11:07
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We had it for years on food in the UK and I was surprised it was not a legal requirement here. I am unsure why not - why wouldn't people want to know? There must be some kind of resistance, but I can't think why or from whom.

Toothpaste doesn't really bother me much as long as the brand is one I trust.







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  #1260112 16-Mar-2015 11:21
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Country of origin labeling doesn't exist in NZ because several lobby groups including Federated Farmers lobbied the Government against it in around 2005/2006. I blogged about this many years ago http://www.geekzone.co.nz/sbiddle/3334

Up until this point NZ and AU had identical food standards, but things have changed since then. Regardless of such labeling, in most countries it only applies to food, so you wouldn't necessarily know where toothpaste was made.




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  #1260118 16-Mar-2015 11:22
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Yup. A NZ Ice Cream manufacturer has a "Chocolate Cookies and Fudge" product on a stick with "Real Belgian" chocolate...but no ingredients listed as imported!
Is the product made here or Belgium? Do we have local plantations for the Cocoa Butter etc? They do not state where the product is made! Only Marketed by them! Major FAIL!


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  #1260138 16-Mar-2015 11:53
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Fan of it, and believe that the origin of all ingredients should be shown as well.






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  #1260141 16-Mar-2015 11:56
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msukiwi: Yup. A NZ Ice Cream manufacturer has a "Chocolate Cookies and Fudge" product on a stick with "Real Belgian" chocolate...but no ingredients listed as imported!
Is the product made here or Belgium? Do we have local plantations for the Cocoa Butter etc? They do not state where the product is made! Only Marketed by them! Major FAIL!



Where a product is made and where ingredients come from are two very different issues. The country of origin is where the product is manufactured or packaged and if it's not using ingredients that are all manufactured in that country, to label it as such, ie "contains local and/or imported ingredients". There is no requirement under FSANZ rules for Australia (and probably every other country in the world that has have mandatory COO labeling) to specify where individual products come from, because it would be impossible to comply with.


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  #1260145 16-Mar-2015 12:06
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I didn't mean wanting to know every country of every ingredient. I wanted to know what country the product was actually made in. And if NZ...stating that some ingredients were imported.

 
 
 

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  #1260147 16-Mar-2015 12:07
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Where a product is made and where ingredients come from are two very different issues. The country of origin is where the product is manufactured or packaged and if it's not using ingredients that are all manufactured in that country, to label it as such, ie "contains local and/or imported ingredients". There is no requirement under FSANZ rules for Australia (and probably every other country in the world that has have mandatory COO labeling) to specify where individual products come from, because it would be impossible to comply with.


True.

Even if they order it from a supplier in country X, there is no guarantee that supplier didn't get some in from country Z because they had a local shortage in country X. 

If you tried to introduce a global tracking scheme you'd only find that the corrupt countries would happily label things as whatever.....like those "100% Cotton" shirts from China that melt if you put a match to them. Plastic cotton? Who knew?  




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  #1260151 16-Mar-2015 12:16
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Have a look at all the different brands of bacon in your supermarket.  Try and work out which ones are made from Canadian pigs.  All bacon contains local and imported ingredients.  There's about two brands that actually say they're made with NZ pigs (unsurprisingly one is Kiwi bacon). 

But what I actually want to know is the amount of antibiotics and steroids in the meat, not where the pigs were raised.  Country of origin labelling wouldn't help there. 

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  #1260177 16-Mar-2015 12:43
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Glassboy: Have a look at all the different brands of bacon in your supermarket.  Try and work out which ones are made from Canadian pigs.  All bacon contains local and imported ingredients.  There's about two brands that actually say they're made with NZ pigs (unsurprisingly one is Kiwi bacon). 

But what I actually want to know is the amount of antibiotics and steroids in the meat, not where the pigs were raised.  Country of origin labelling wouldn't help there. 


Agreed. I only buy the NZ bacon....but then I don't buy bacon much anymore. Too much fat and salt. If I do buy it, it's just the loin, no fat. But that still leaves the salt. 






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I bet most cases of serious food poisoning have local origin.  A good dose of campylobacter is extremely unpleasant - at best.  Potentially life-threatening for some.
I tend to trust large multinationals for general "food safety" regardless of origin - they have far more to lose from an "event".  As a supplier to those multinationals in the past, I'm acutely aware of how seriously they take food safety, through tight specifications, routine in-house sampling/testing etc.
(OTOH in terms of "nutritional value/risk" - often pretty awful).
More risky IMO is obscure imported packaged product from asian supermarkets etc.


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  #1260210 16-Mar-2015 13:09
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Lias: Fan of it, and believe that the origin of all ingredients should be shown as well.




Are you a fan of the price of everything in a supermarket increasing by 100% as well to cover the costs of such a thing? 

Nobody does that because maintaining such information is quite simply such a mundane and impossible task and the costs across the supply chain would be massive. Imagine if a producer of chocolate chips for example decided to swap out an ingredient - overnight you'd have thousands of downstream manufacturers who use those chocolate chips having to not only update their internal documentation but also throw out all packaging and replace it. That's why nobody does it - because it's simply impossible.




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  #1260216 16-Mar-2015 13:20
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Fred99: I bet most cases of serious food poisoning have local origin.  A good dose of campylobacter is extremely unpleasant - at best.  Potentially life-threatening for some.
I tend to trust large multinationals for general "food safety" regardless of origin - they have far more to lose from an "event".  As a supplier to those multinationals in the past, I'm acutely aware of how seriously they take food safety, through tight specifications, routine in-house sampling/testing etc.
(OTOH in terms of "nutritional value/risk" - often pretty awful).
More risky IMO is obscure imported packaged product from asian supermarkets etc.



I have a much greater issue with locally produced products that are exempt from food labeling laws. Why should a supermarket have to legally label a cake with a full NIP and ingredients but somebody who sells a "home made" cake at a road side stall not even have to provide ingredients?



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Linuxluver:
Glassboy: Have a look at all the different brands of bacon in your supermarket.  Try and work out which ones are made from Canadian pigs.  All bacon contains local and imported ingredients.  There's about two brands that actually say they're made with NZ pigs (unsurprisingly one is Kiwi bacon). 

But what I actually want to know is the amount of antibiotics and steroids in the meat, not where the pigs were raised.  Country of origin labelling wouldn't help there. 


Agreed. I only buy the NZ bacon....but then I don't buy bacon much anymore. Too much fat and salt. If I do buy it, it's just the loin, no fat. But that still leaves the salt. 




Fat and salt are both things your body needs.  However they're not something the medico-pharmico industry can sell you, they can sell you statins tho'. :-)

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sbiddle:
Fred99: I bet most cases of serious food poisoning have local origin.  A good dose of campylobacter is extremely unpleasant - at best.  Potentially life-threatening for some.
I tend to trust large multinationals for general "food safety" regardless of origin - they have far more to lose from an "event".  As a supplier to those multinationals in the past, I'm acutely aware of how seriously they take food safety, through tight specifications, routine in-house sampling/testing etc.
(OTOH in terms of "nutritional value/risk" - often pretty awful).
More risky IMO is obscure imported packaged product from asian supermarkets etc.



I have a much greater issue with locally produced products that are exempt from food labeling laws. Why should a supermarket have to legally label a cake with a full NIP and ingredients but somebody who sells a "home made" cake at a road side stall not even have to provide ingredients?




Well yeah - When I see homemade cake etc at school fairs etc, I tend to think about the kitchen in a "cat-lady's" house.


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