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#2711761 23-May-2021 16:15

Handsomedan:

... that explains why they keep coming here to violate our anuses.

To borrow from another thread, I hope they don't come here and charge a perineum for us to get their technology.

Sometimes I just sit and think. Other times I just sit.

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#2711839 23-May-2021 19:55

freitasm:

"evidence" videos are always completely out-of-focus and you can barely see what is in there? Like those bigfoot photos. Seriously folks, with every crappy smartphone now having 20 megapixel cameras how can not one photo be clear?

Right, but the selection *is* being done. All the clear photos and videos of geese and Cessnas are at second glance no longer UAPs, so the images get thrown away, Only the blurry out-of-focus ones still have a possibility that it *might* be an an alien.

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#2711845 23-May-2021 20:04

Rikkitic:

Here's one. Here are some contemporary examples.

Depressingly, it seems that no matter how good your civilisation, there always seems to be some group, either within or without, who think that their's is better. So, instead of joining the superior civilisation to the betterment of everyone, they wipe it out.

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#2711852 23-May-2021 20:14

Eva888: Here’s something for the armchair experts to ponder. We live facing the sea and overlooking the Kaikouras.
On 16 Feb 2017 around 8.45pm...(I recorded a note about that day) I was sitting on the sofa talking to a friend on the phone and facing out to sea. (She heard my description).

I saw 2 round bright green lights seemingly coming out of the sea on the horizon vertically. I yelled at Mr E sitting next to me and we both got up and went close to the window in case it was a glass reflection. It was dusk. The lights rose up about two finger widths from the horizon (at arms length) and turned right, which is South West. They were going very fast and we followed them for about 15 seconds before they passed out of view blocked by hills.

Where they were flying is not the usual flight path of planes and they were going much faster and lights were top and bottom at about a 15 degree angle, not side to side as on a plane. They did not appear to be connected to anything...just lights.

An aircraft banked 15 degrees that is facing directly away from or towards you will have its wingtip lights or landing lights at a 15 degree angle. Typically, as it turns the angle will move closer to the vertical as it turns at right angles to you.

I wonder how you knew they were going very fast? How do you know how far away they were?

It might be worth checking FlightRadar or FlightAware or similar to see if there were any aircraft in the area.

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#2711894 23-May-2021 22:30

Rikkitic:
They may well be religious, thanking the alien gods for a safe journey from their distant star.

They still wouldn't be displaying them in the human-visible spectrum near human habitation if the intent is to remain hidden...

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#2711901 23-May-2021 23:10

An aircraft banked 15 degrees that is facing directly away from or towards you will have its wingtip lights or landing lights at a 15 degree angle. Typically, as it turns the angle will move closer to the vertical as it turns at right angles to you.

I wonder how you knew they were going very fast? How do you know how far away they were?

It might be worth checking FlightRadar or FlightAware or similar to see if there were any aircraft in the area.

Many years up here watching planes you get to know the height and position visually. You can also recognise the speed as it’s pretty constant. These were moving way faster than any plane and were green. They were also very much lower in the sky than the usual flight paths. It’s difficult to describe distance and easiest way is to hold arm out and use fingers to measure by sight to explain.
There are always aircraft up here...we are looking out onto the flight paths as planes head to and from the airport. That was a one and only time.

In hindsight and practically, videoing would have meant registering the thought, picking up the iPad, opening it and finding the camera app, setting to video... it would have been impossible in the short time.This only lasted seconds.

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#2711955 24-May-2021 07:07

Eva888:

An aircraft banked 15 degrees that is facing directly away from or towards you will have its wingtip lights or landing lights at a 15 degree angle. Typically, as it turns the angle will move closer to the vertical as it turns at right angles to you.

I wonder how you knew they were going very fast? How do you know how far away they were?

It might be worth checking FlightRadar or FlightAware or similar to see if there were any aircraft in the area.

Many years up here watching planes you get to know the height and position visually. You can also recognise the speed as it’s pretty constant. These were moving way faster than any plane and were green. They were also very much lower in the sky than the usual flight paths. It’s difficult to describe distance and easiest way is to hold arm out and use fingers to measure by sight to explain.
There are always aircraft up here...we are looking out onto the flight paths as planes head to and from the airport. That was a one and only time.

In hindsight and practically, videoing would have meant registering the thought, picking up the iPad, opening it and finding the camera app, setting to video... it would have been impossible in the short time.This only lasted seconds.

i'm blaming them for the earthquake

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#2711957 24-May-2021 07:12

frankv:

Rikkitic:

Here's one. Here are some contemporary examples.

Depressingly, it seems that no matter how good your civilisation, there always seems to be some group, either within or without, who think that their's is better. So, instead of joining the superior civilisation to the betterment of everyone, they wipe it out.

depends on the ruler. a peace loving ruler for say 50 years - peace. then a spoilt brat or jealous uncle/rebel/neighbour takes over and tyranny for 50 years.

nothing special, just human nature

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#2711973 24-May-2021 08:36

Batman:

depends on the ruler. a peace loving ruler for say 50 years - peace. then a spoilt brat or jealous uncle/rebel/neighbour takes over and tyranny for 50 years.

nothing special, just human nature

I don't think so. That's human "culture" - not necessarily human "nature".

For example, most people I meet (with a few exceptions) are pretty decent.

Yet with global cultural political and business leadership, the ratios seem almost reversed.

If human beings are a "social" creature (seems to be true), then having leaders who place the "common good" ahead of showering themselves in riches while harming others would have been the natural way we'd have evolved - if we need "leaders" at all.

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#2711975 24-May-2021 08:48

Good point @Batman. There is reported phenomena of lights observed as connected to earthquakes. We quite often see flashes in the Southern sky on a calm night which I suspect is most likely lightning elsewhere but, could also be from quakes centred around the Kaikoura area. You often see quakes on GeoNet with an epicentre there even when we don’t feel them in Wellington.

I guess we will never know. For now it’s unidentified, it was flying and an object. If Men in Black turn up at my door to silence me we will know for sure :))

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#2711977 24-May-2021 08:48

Eva888:

An aircraft banked 15 degrees that is facing directly away from or towards you will have its wingtip lights or landing lights at a 15 degree angle. Typically, as it turns the angle will move closer to the vertical as it turns at right angles to you.

snip...

We look out toward the Kaikoura ranges and over the ocean from Chch.

The temperature inversions over the sea - particularly when it's still - cause bizarre refraction effects, ships "floating" in the air above the horizon etc.

Edit - we often see lightning too, especially when there's NW conditions, storm activity over the main divide but very clear conditions E of the ranges. The lightning tracker internet sites aren't very good for NZ, so seeing lightning but the sites aren't displaying it, I'd tend to believe what my eyes see - not what the internet is telling me.

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#2711981 24-May-2021 08:58

Eva888:
I guess we will never know. For now it’s unidentified, it was flying and an object. If Men in Black turn up at my door to silence me we will know for sure :))

No we won't...you'll have been nebulised and the whole thing erased from your memory and replaced with a peaceful evening at home.

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#2711996 24-May-2021 09:45

I think Mr E might enjoy me being nebulised...but only for as long as there are still leftovers in the fridge.

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#2712000 24-May-2021 09:56

Eva888: I think Mr E might enjoy me being nebulised...but only for as long as there are still leftovers in the fridge.

Men In Black 3 "Look Right Here" Movie Clip - YouTube

So it turns out it's called a Neuralizer...

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#2712068 24-May-2021 10:36

Eva888: Good point @Batman. There is reported phenomena of lights observed as connected to earthquakes.

I do wonder if that's real, or if it's similar to the reported phenomenon of animals having some ability to detect earthquakes "before they happen" - which could be rationally explained by animals reacting to low frequency and amplitude "P waves" that travel through the earth crust and arrive before the strong shaking from the slower moving "S waves".

Our mutt was sitting on my feet (usual resting place) and went ballistic when the 2009 M7.8 Dusky Sound quake happened. I didn't feel a thing in Chch - was only the weird behaviour of the dog made me look on the Geonet site a few minutes later. Most of the Chch quakes were too close for the P and S wave arrival times to be large, but we did get to be able to tell and guess when some were further away, you'd hear a deep rumble a second or two before the shaking, but the frequency of that shaking was also a bit of a giveaway as to how far away the quake was. Was a very fun game, guess magnitude and location by what you could hear and feel, the winner of closest guess confirmed by checking Geonet, gave us something to do while the adrenaline slowly normalised. Our mutt gave up caring much about quakes, she'd only react in response to how we reacted.

Anyway, "quake lights" may have a rational explanation. High voltage power lines arc, people wake up and turn on lights etc (so long as the power doesn't cut out). Also conceivable that a lightening-like effect could happen from a piezo-electric generation in in shattering rocks.

P waves travel at about 3-4 km/s, S waves at about 8 km/s (variable, but good enough for approximation). So if (eerrr "when" if I'm still around) the Alpine Fault lets rip, then in Chch I'd expect the following. Closest point of the AF to Chch is about 120km. That's about 15 seconds P wave travel time. Before they arrive, I expect the power grid may shut down, but that's going to depend where and from which direction the fault starts rupturing. The speed at which rupture along a fault happens is similar or faster than P wave propagation, so the first P waves you hear are probably going to be from about the nearest distance to the fault / 8 km/s. The real shaking (from S waves) won't start in Chch until about 30 seconds after the fault ruptures. So if the lights go out suddenly, then shortly after I hear a deep rumbling sound, there's about 15 seconds to get somewhere safe. If the rumbling sound happens before the lights go out, it's probably just one of the local morons in a V8 taking out a lamppost. If I see lightning over the horizon, it's probably normal lightning.

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