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  #3267650 2-Aug-2024 17:42
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caffynz: I'm the type that likes to acknowledge decent customer service, especially when it's probably common for the company to receive complaints, or no feedback at all. Because I know what it's like to receive a few glowing compliments amongst many negative feedback. 

 

It's also good for customer service/support staff who get rated based on things like time spent with customers, i.e. where they're incentivised to close a ticket as quickly as possible.  Apart from giving them warm fuzzies, it also lets their Mgt. know that the time is well spent.  A few years ago a United Airlines person did such a fantastic job in dealing with a rewards booking that I wrote a (longish) email to their feedback address pointing out what a great job she'd done.  It took quite a few months but eventually I got an email back thanking me for letting them know.  I think the channels for praise, rather than complaints, are pretty minimal and clogged up, so things move quite slowly.


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  #3267662 2-Aug-2024 18:10
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neb:

 

From a restaurant owner: This is an Uber Eats problem, because they lock you in, you can't escape any more once you sign up.  So the only way to get out is to tell customers that even though you're on Uber Eats, please don't order through them.

 

 

It's the restaurant owners issue that they didn't read the terms of their contract. No-one holds a gun to their head. The contract is not endless, it ends when the terms of the contract are completed, or when either party terminates it in accordance with the agreements terms. 

 

Also, there is almost certainly language in their contract that forbids them from circumventing their contract in the manner in which they are doing. 

 

As I said, I think the fees are too high, but as long as people pay them, they will remain as high as they are. 

 

 


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  #3267669 2-Aug-2024 18:32
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networkn: It's the restaurant owners issue that they didn't read the terms of their contract.

 

So we blame the victim?  The contract is known for its highly misleading and partly in contravention of consumer law wording and being written in such a way that you don't know what you're getting until it's way too late.


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  #3267673 2-Aug-2024 18:43
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neb:

 

networkn: It's the restaurant owners issue that they didn't read the terms of their contract.

 

So we blame the victim?  The contract is known for its highly misleading and partly in contravention of consumer law wording and being written in such a way that you don't know what you're getting until it's way too late.

 

 

I hear there are these things called lawyers....Sure they cost , but it does sound that they would be cheaper than signing a bad contract.


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  #3267676 2-Aug-2024 18:49
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sir1963:

neb:


So we blame the victim?  The contract is known for its highly misleading and partly in contravention of consumer law wording and being written in such a way that you don't know what you're getting until it's way too late.



I hear there are these things called lawyers....Sure they cost , but it does sound that they would be cheaper than signing a bad contract.


There's massive imbalance of power between the restaurants and Uber. It's one of those nasty commercial realities which exists where a lawyer isn't really much help. Uber aren't going to allow variations to the contract and if you want to offer delivery it's the devil and the deep blue sea.
The cost of the commision is really less of an issue than the other contractual terms that get put in these contracts.

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  #3267701 2-Aug-2024 19:07
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Those UK and Aus marking cases don't really conflict with NZ law? The only difference is we don't use that marking style so we don't need to know about it or have traffic law to cover it.. I think.

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  #3267704 2-Aug-2024 19:12
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sir1963: I hear there are these things called lawyers....Sure they cost , but it does sound that they would be cheaper than signing a bad contract.

 

So some guy working 18 hours a day to run a takeaway on razor-slim margins is expected to spend thousands of dollars on lawyers for everything they sign up to?  The reason why we have consumer protection law is because not everyone, in fact very few people, can afford to engage a legal team every time they enter into any kind of agreement.  And Uber's contracts, as I've already pointed out, are written in a very predatory manner and often found to be in violation of consumer protection laws when someone has the wherewithal to challenge them.


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  #3267707 2-Aug-2024 19:16
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neb:

sir1963: I hear there are these things called lawyers....Sure they cost , but it does sound that they would be cheaper than signing a bad contract.


So some guy working 18 hours a day to run a takeaway on razor-slim margins is expected to spend thousands of dollars on lawyers for everything they sign up to?  The reason why we have consumer protection law is because not everyone, in fact very few people, can afford to engage a legal team every time they enter into any kind of agreement.  And Uber's contracts, as I've already pointed out, are written in a very predatory manner and often found to be in violation of consumer protection laws when someone has the wherewithal to challenge them.



They are a business so consumer protections exist to protect consumers from them, not the predatory practices of tech companies. In a B2B transaction the parties can contract out of most consumer protection which they can’t in B2C transactions.

There is a somewhat reasonable expectation that a business is more sophisticated than a typical consumer. It gets difficult when the power imbalance exists to such a degree as it does here.

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  #3268237 5-Aug-2024 07:49
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When a website - intended to be used internationally - simply lists prices in "$" and doesn't specify whether they're USD, NZD, or something else.


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Behodar:

 

When a website - intended to be used internationally - simply lists prices in "$" and doesn't specify whether they're USD, NZD, or something else.

 

 

Yes this absolutely drives me nuts! 





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  #3268277 5-Aug-2024 10:15
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Behodar:

 

When a website - intended to be used internationally - simply lists prices in "$" and doesn't specify whether they're USD, NZD, or something else.

 

 

I'm sure my wife was caught with one that had 1st page in NZ$ then subsequent pages switched to US$.


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  #3268342 5-Aug-2024 14:19
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Firing up my laptop this morning to find that Microsoft had helpfully replaced my bland, unobtrusive background with some image of an island in Indonesia and was offering to take me to a web site telling me more about it.

 

"Thank Microsoft, kids" / "Thaaaaanks, Satya!".


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  #3268343 5-Aug-2024 14:23
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You'll also have a fake icon in the... top-right? corner that responds to a single click and can't be deleted in the usual way.


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  #3268346 5-Aug-2024 14:34
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Behodar: You'll also have a fake icon in the... top-right? corner that responds to a single click and can't be deleted in the usual way.

 

Ah, yeah. OTOH I'm running Window Blinds so just told it to scrub everything, but it's still annoying.  I thought that cr*p was reserved for the lucky recipients of Windows 11?


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  #3268348 5-Aug-2024 14:40
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Yeah, Microsoft lied as usual. They said Windows 10 would only get security updates, and then when everyone started rejoicing they did a 180!


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