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  #620712 6-May-2012 22:52
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For more than 11 years I've lived 3.5km from work, got the job and then found a house close to work. There is a bus stop 100m from my house, and one right in front of my work, but taking the bus cost more than the car despite the car never reaching temperature so I'm using > 15L/100km. The bus also takes about half an hour because the 2 stops are on different routes so I would need to change over. There are 3 buses in the morning and afternoon that bridge the route, goes straight from my home to work, but it is charged the same as the 30 minute trip. So I use my car.

Point is, I'll probably revisit using my car when petrol gets to $4 or so, until then it is worth it for me... but then bus fares will have gone up as well. So for me no point complaining about cost of petrol. But have you checked how much it cost to own your car before you put petrol in it? Cost of registration, WOF and insurance?

What I would like to see is traffic flow improvement. You do it with slipways that do not end/merge 100m after an intersection, and use of roundabouts (especially mini or "mountable" roundabouts in urban areas). Abandon speed bumps - boy racers take them at speed as it is fun with hard suspensions and people that must go over them every day wear out their cars. Mini roundabouts are so much more effective, it is a bit hard speeding over them. Synchronize traffic lights. My consipracy theory is that traffic is slowed down and delayed rather than improved so that we use more petrol while idling our cars so that there is more tax money paid towards roading.

We are getting a new intersection in Pakuranga, Auckland. I saw the presentation, amazing how much gets spent on specialists and consultants and designing fancy bridges and how many houses will be taken away where the logical solution proposed years ago is to turn the plaza into the centre of a huge roundabout. But it will not happen because they want to run 3 bus lanes down the middle of the road which is currently 4 car lanes. And then there is the 3 lane Panmure bridge with 1 lane changing direction at peak times, the improvement to the bridge will be to add another bridge for buses and bicycles but no traffic improvement to this dangerous bridge. I guess the bridge is too dangerous for buses but who cares about the cars.

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  #620717 6-May-2012 23:23
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Whenever I hit a nice new road surface it feels like a 10% improvement in economy compared to the old one. But our new road surfaces don't stay that way for long. I wonder how high fuel prices need to be before it becomes economic to invest in better surfaces?

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  #620723 6-May-2012 23:42
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gzt: Whenever I hit a nice new road surface it feels like a 10% improvement in economy compared to the old one. But our new road surfaces don't stay that way for long. I wonder how high fuel prices need to be before it becomes economic to invest in better surfaces?

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  #620724 6-May-2012 23:42
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I wasn't really complaining about the expense of fuel, just feel a bit screwed that half of the pump price is tax when I already pay $147 every 6 months for rego and they take a decent percentage of my income each week.

I know money is required to run the country but it feels a bit steep. Maybe you are right incomes are too low. Although I am sure many tax payer $ could be saved with better management (no im not taking a dig at the pm when i say that but the various people who work further down the line below him)

I think they should keep 6 month wof's considering most people on the road don't know the first thing about cars.

One suggestion I would have is that instead of charging vehicle licensing per vehicle private vehicle owners are charged a fee to keep their drivers licence of the same value. That way you are not penalised for having more than one vehicle when you can only drive one.

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  #620739 7-May-2012 05:05
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qwerty7: I wasn't really complaining about the expense of fuel, just feel a bit screwed that half of the pump price is tax when I already pay $147 every 6 months for rego and they take a decent percentage of my income each week.

I know money is required to run the country but it feels a bit steep. Maybe you are right incomes are too low. Although I am sure many tax payer $ could be saved with better management (no im not taking a dig at the pm when i say that but the various people who work further down the line below him)

I think they should keep 6 month wof's considering most people on the road don't know the first thing about cars.

One suggestion I would have is that instead of charging vehicle licensing per vehicle private vehicle owners are charged a fee to keep their drivers licence of the same value. That way you are not penalised for having more than one vehicle when you can only drive one.


In the uk, 75% of the price is govt tax. Before vat.




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  #620751 7-May-2012 07:32
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qwerty7, Tax is the charge we all pay for living in a civilized society. Not many people like earning money and then having x% taken in tax, I don't like it either.

If you didn't have to pay all that tax though, then you'd need to get used to your standard of living being significantly worse. Our taxes are low compared to many other countries. Australia might have lower fuel tax but they more than make that back elsewhere.

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  #620759 7-May-2012 08:03
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qwerty7: I wasn't really complaining about the expense of fuel, just feel a bit screwed that half of the pump price is tax when I already pay $147 every 6 months for rego and they take a decent percentage of my income each week.

I know money is required to run the country but it feels a bit steep. Maybe you are right incomes are too low. Although I am sure many tax payer $ could be saved with better management (no im not taking a dig at the pm when i say that but the various people who work further down the line below him)

I think they should keep 6 month wof's considering most people on the road don't know the first thing about cars.

One suggestion I would have is that instead of charging vehicle licensing per vehicle private vehicle owners are charged a fee to keep their drivers licence of the same value. That way you are not penalised for having more than one vehicle when you can only drive one.


Regulatory reform is under-way at present.  I understand all options are currently open but one option I heard about was to scrap the annual licensing fee and put it on the petrol instead.  That way user pays.  Of course most of the rego is ACC (another tax) which we then pay GST on (another tax).

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  #620762 7-May-2012 08:11
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the NZ dollar reported lower this morning. Watch the petrol price jump almost immediately 

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  #620769 7-May-2012 08:25
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KiwiNZ: the NZ dollar reported lower this morning. Watch the petrol price jump almost immediately 


So true!
Never falls back down as quickly (if it does)

Though I guess we went from 2.20 to 1.55 over the course of [some time] and then started going back up to our current high of 2.20.

How I wish that GULL would invest in the South Island and that the money I pay in petrol tax was spent on the LOCAL (i.e.) Otago roads and not on building yet another motorway, slip road, bus lane etc for Auckland.

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  #620797 7-May-2012 09:18
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nzkiwiman:
KiwiNZ: the NZ dollar reported lower this morning. Watch the petrol price jump almost immediately 


So true!
Never falls back down as quickly (if it does)

Though I guess we went from 2.20 to 1.55 over the course of [some time] and then started going back up to our current high of 2.20.

How I wish that GULL would invest in the South Island and that the money I pay in petrol tax was spent on the LOCAL (i.e.) Otago roads and not on building yet another motorway, slip road, bus lane etc for Auckland.


I find the whole "Stop spending money on roads in Auckland" argument rather funny, Auckland has the most cars and people paying for it out of the entire country, If anything its us in Auckland that end up paying for the roads everywhere else.

The amount of road that has to be built and maintained in Auckland per car on the road is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller compared to the vast distances of empty road in the middle of nowhere just for 3 people to get into town. Auckland is paying at a bulk rate for regular and high use, Smaller areas is paying a premium for minimum use.

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  #620810 7-May-2012 09:39
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I wonder how much tax someone who makes say $75K really pays in New Zealand. There's income tax, GST, road fees and tax, rates are a form of tax as they're mandatory, and no doubt there are other taxes too.

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  #620817 7-May-2012 10:02
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timmmay: I wonder how much tax someone who makes say $75K really pays in New Zealand. There's income tax, GST, road fees and tax, rates are a form of tax as they're mandatory, and no doubt there are other taxes too.


Don't quote me, and I don't recall where I heard it from, but my understanding was our "true" tax rate was around 45 - 47% of gross income.






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timmmay: I wonder how much tax someone who makes say $75K really pays in New Zealand. There's income tax, GST, road fees and tax, rates are a form of tax as they're mandatory, and no doubt there are other taxes too.


$75k is 50% more than the median income (which is $50k IIRC).  Having to pay tax isn't brilliant but the alternative is worse.

Our tax rates are comparatively low for the western world.  In other countries you have extra taxes to pay outside the headline "income tax" rate -- health insurance tax (ringfenced for the health system), unemployment insurance, etc.  NZ is actually pretty good in that incom tax is just that.  Kiwisaver, student loans, etc are all optional.

Remember that you do actually get something for the tax you pay.  You benefit from free medical care -- as someone who's been ambulanced (is that a word?) in to A&E I am extremely appreciative of this.  Also education, roads, etc.

And you benefit from other people having access to these services, and the greater equality this provides. Would you prefer to live in the third world with a massive underclass and big walls around your house to keep them out?  Men with big guns guarding bank branches?  High crime rates pushing up your insurance premiums?


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  #620859 7-May-2012 10:40
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I wasn't saying tax wasn't worth it, but I think it would be fairer to know what people really pay.

Someone on $100K is paying around 31% tax over their whole income. Assuming they spend 50% of what they earn that's an additional 7.5% in GST. Add in a few grand in rates. Assuming two $100 petrol tank fills a week, 50% tax, that's 1.2% of their income on fuel tax. Rates probably makes up 2%. My quick informal addition gives us about 42% of their income gone on tax, and I haven't looked into it very carefully.

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I always thought it was far enough that the fuel tax was spent on hospitals, lots of car/bike passengers end up there! Same with tobacco tax.

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