gzt: If that is true then the inaccuracy of this piece is shocking and NZH should take it down immediately.

gzt:

sbiddle: My understanding of the July issue at the time was that a passenger who were on the delayed flight saw crew members who they recognised from their flight out socialising and complained to the NZ Herald about this who then wrote a headline story about this. This apparently wasn't the crew that was on duty and none were in uniform.

If that is true then the inaccuracy of this piece is shocking and NZH should take it down immediately for legal reasons if nothing else.

Handle9:

Geektastic: I agree - my immediate reaction was why not have a zero tolerance policy. Kiwi Rail do - and they apply it across the board to all the office staff as well as operational staff. They have random drug and alcohol testing and failing either will result in dismissal.

It's all very well to have zero tolerance for drug and alchohol policy for office staff but the reality is you are unable to randomly test for staff who are not in positions deemed 'safety sensitive'. The case law is very clear. You can test for cause though.

gzt: NZHerald: "In-flight service managers are able to breath test crew if they have reasonable cause to suspect that they have been drinking within 10 hours of operating a flight."

Geektastic:

Handle9:

Geektastic: I agree - my immediate reaction was why not have a zero tolerance policy. Kiwi Rail do - and they apply it across the board to all the office staff as well as operational staff. They have random drug and alcohol testing and failing either will result in dismissal.

It's all very well to have zero tolerance for drug and alchohol policy for office staff but the reality is you are unable to randomly test for staff who are not in positions deemed 'safety sensitive'. The case law is very clear. You can test for cause though.

You can because you make it a condition in their employment contracts which is what Kiwi Rail do.

Handle9:

Geektastic:

Handle9:

Geektastic: I agree - my immediate reaction was why not have a zero tolerance policy. Kiwi Rail do - and they apply it across the board to all the office staff as well as operational staff. They have random drug and alcohol testing and failing either will result in dismissal.

It's all very well to have zero tolerance for drug and alchohol policy for office staff but the reality is you are unable to randomly test for staff who are not in positions deemed 'safety sensitive'. The case law is very clear. You can test for cause though.

You can because you make it a condition in their employment contracts which is what Kiwi Rail do.

Nope. The courts have been clear that it is not an enforceable condition of employment. You can put all sorts of crap in as conditions of employment that aren't actually able to be enforced.

Geektastic: 

Rest assured people have been sacked because of it in KR and even the Rail union has failed to prevent it.

Psilan: Attendants and Pilots banging each other on trips, cheating on partners. It was crazy.

Psilan: I used to date a Pacific Blue flight attendant.

They all got drunk as hell on their stay-overs. Attendants and Pilots banging each other on trips, cheating on partners. It was crazy.
So many people working with hangovers when I tagged along on a few Fiji trips.