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#1259809 15-Mar-2015 18:50

Too many digits and zeroes. There is an unstated tale that says he who works in state or government office shall receive higher compensation than an equivalent private employee, yet is allowed to complete duties at half the efficiency.

If that sounds like something that does not keep you awake at night, then a government servant position might be your calling. Else treat them accordingly and do not tolerate such behaviour.

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#1259814 15-Mar-2015 19:00

u obviously haven't worked in a govt dept in australia :D

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#1259820 15-Mar-2015 19:35

Mark: In case people wanted to go see who earns what in parlimentland :

http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/mpp/mps/pay/00FinanMPPSalary1/mps-salary-and-allowances

A pity they don't spend some of the money on their website. Looks like it is from the 90's

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#1259833 15-Mar-2015 20:11

joker97: u obviously haven't worked in a govt dept in australia :D

Exactly. You can complete a job with a tenth the efficiency instead. And it requires an act of parliament to fire you, or you to actually not show up. Unless you tell them you aren't showing up of course, in which case they can't say you abandoned the job and therefore can't fire you. Because they have to have a meeting with you first, and you can just not show up to the meeting.

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#1259840 15-Mar-2015 20:27

mattwnz:
Mark: In case people wanted to go see who earns what in parlimentland :

http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/mpp/mps/pay/00FinanMPPSalary1/mps-salary-and-allowances

A pity they don't spend some of the money on their website. Looks like it is from the 90's

It's all very Yes Minister ...
I suspect that they deliberately make their website look as dry and boring as possible, so that nobody will be tempted to read it.

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#1259845 15-Mar-2015 20:38

Kyanar:
joker97: u obviously haven't worked in a govt dept in australia :D

Exactly. You can complete a job with a tenth the efficiency instead. And it requires an act of parliament to fire you, or you to actually not show up. Unless you tell them you aren't showing up of course, in which case they can't say you abandoned the job and therefore can't fire you. Because they have to have a meeting with you first, and you can just not show up to the meeting.

in a govt dept in australia, a 1 min job takes 3 months

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#1259852 15-Mar-2015 20:51

khull: Too many digits and zeroes. There is an unstated tale that says he who works in state or government office shall receive higher compensation than an equivalent private employee, yet is allowed to complete duties at half the efficiency.

If that sounds like something that does not keep you awake at night, then a government servant position might be your calling. Else treat them accordingly and do not tolerate such behaviour.

That simply is not true.

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#1259869 15-Mar-2015 21:29

I had first hand experience of this when I worked in the DIA.

Former PM's get additional perks (which I can't recall) and so do former GG's.

Personally I could never quite grasp the logic of them getting free flights once they had left; sure, if it's business related then fair enough when they are serving as MP's but after that? Yeah, nah.

I never grasped either why Joe Average cannot claim his costs of getting to and from work as business expenses, but an MP can...

The pension arrangements are also pretty gold plated, I can tell you, when compared to most NZ pension schemes.

Being a List MP has to be the best paid, least work involved job in NZ. No pesky constituents whining on about their no doubt usually banal and trivial concerns at weekly surgery, same salary as constituent MP, just turn up, vote as told, get paid heaps and have many many weeks off....plus the odd free overseas junket if you are well behaved and the Chief Whip likes you.

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#1259875 15-Mar-2015 21:37

khull: Too many digits and zeroes. There is an unstated tale that says he who works in state or government office shall receive higher compensation than an equivalent private employee, yet is allowed to complete duties at half the efficiency.

If that sounds like something that does not keep you awake at night, then a government servant position might be your calling. Else treat them accordingly and do not tolerate such behaviour.

I dispute that.

I have worked in both public sector and private sector roles. In both cases you will find some slackers but, in my experience, public servants typically work every bit as hard as private sector ones. As busy times when we were under pressure I popped in on a few weekends to catch up, and in some cases pretty much half the team was in doing the same to make sure deadlines were hit. And these were salaried folk (and some of the salaries were pretty low too) who are neither required to work on weekends, nor paid a cent extra for doing so. It's called being a professional.

Not exactly over-paid laziness in my book.

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#1259903 15-Mar-2015 22:02

JimmyH:
khull: Too many digits and zeroes. There is an unstated tale that says he who works in state or government office shall receive higher compensation than an equivalent private employee, yet is allowed to complete duties at half the efficiency.

If that sounds like something that does not keep you awake at night, then a government servant position might be your calling. Else treat them accordingly and do not tolerate such behaviour.

I dispute that.

I have worked in both public sector and private sector roles. In both cases you will find some slackers but, in my experience, public servants typically work every bit as hard as private sector ones. As busy times when we were under pressure I popped in on a few weekends to catch up, and in some cases pretty much half the team was in doing the same to make sure deadlines were hit. And these were salaried folk (and some of the salaries were pretty low too) who are neither required to work on weekends, nor paid a cent extra for doing so. It's called being a professional.

Not exactly over-paid laziness in my book.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...!

In my time in public service (UK and NZ) I have witnessed huge amounts of slacking, as well as departments chock full of staff who frankly could only be employed as some sort of act of charity or alternative to the dole.

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#1259917 15-Mar-2015 22:15

which is fine ... right? coz if you sack people they complain!

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#1259918 15-Mar-2015 22:17

Geektastic: I had first hand experience of this when I worked in the DIA.

Former PM's get additional perks (which I can't recall) and so do former GG's.

Personally I could never quite grasp the logic of them getting free flights once they had left; sure, if it's business related then fair enough when they are serving as MP's but after that? Yeah, nah.
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from memory: free domestic flights for life. free car for life. free chauffeur for life. cool eh

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#1259921 15-Mar-2015 22:22

khull: Too many digits and zeroes. There is an unstated tale that says he who works in state or government office shall receive higher compensation than an equivalent private employee, yet is allowed to complete duties at half the efficiency.

If that sounds like something that does not keep you awake at night, then a government servant position might be your calling. Else treat them accordingly and do not tolerate such behaviour.

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#1259931 15-Mar-2015 23:02

Geektastic:
JimmyH:
khull: Too many digits and zeroes. There is an unstated tale that says he who works in state or government office shall receive higher compensation than an equivalent private employee, yet is allowed to complete duties at half the efficiency.

If that sounds like something that does not keep you awake at night, then a government servant position might be your calling. Else treat them accordingly and do not tolerate such behaviour.

I dispute that.

I have worked in both public sector and private sector roles. In both cases you will find some slackers but, in my experience, public servants typically work every bit as hard as private sector ones. As busy times when we were under pressure I popped in on a few weekends to catch up, and in some cases pretty much half the team was in doing the same to make sure deadlines were hit. And these were salaried folk (and some of the salaries were pretty low too) who are neither required to work on weekends, nor paid a cent extra for doing so. It's called being a professional.

Not exactly over-paid laziness in my book.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...!

In my time in public service (UK and NZ) I have witnessed huge amounts of slacking, as well as departments chock full of staff who frankly could only be employed as some sort of act of charity or alternative to the dole.

Could you tell us the years you were working in public service so get idea how recent this anecdote is from to give it more credibillty.

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#1259954 16-Mar-2015 05:05

Geektastic:
JimmyH:
khull: Too many digits and zeroes. There is an unstated tale that says he who works in state or government office shall receive higher compensation than an equivalent private employee, yet is allowed to complete duties at half the efficiency.

If that sounds like something that does not keep you awake at night, then a government servant position might be your calling. Else treat them accordingly and do not tolerate such behaviour.

I dispute that.

I have worked in both public sector and private sector roles. In both cases you will find some slackers but, in my experience, public servants typically work every bit as hard as private sector ones. As busy times when we were under pressure I popped in on a few weekends to catch up, and in some cases pretty much half the team was in doing the same to make sure deadlines were hit. And these were salaried folk (and some of the salaries were pretty low too) who are neither required to work on weekends, nor paid a cent extra for doing so. It's called being a professional.

Not exactly over-paid laziness in my book.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...!

In my time in public service (UK and NZ) I have witnessed huge amounts of slacking, as well as departments chock full of staff who frankly could only be employed as some sort of act of charity or alternative to the dole.

I worked for 24 years in Government agencies and my experience was the opposite.

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