Maybe we could try this sort of thing to get more houses done...

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#1698323 4-Jan-2017 13:09

Wainuiomata is not as bad as Flaxmere but did have staff there daily and eventually had to open an office to meet demand. Wainuiomata has improved especially with the efforts of notable sports people. It still has a lot of issues spanning generations.

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#1698325 4-Jan-2017 13:13

You might as well add Stokes Valley, Naenae, and Taita to that list then.

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#1698519 4-Jan-2017 18:13

Too hard to type on this thing but I know Flaxmere well from friends who were born there and have always lived there. lots of nice homes, good people, pleasant neighbourhoods. Every place has problems but Flaxmere definitely no nightmare.

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#1698520 4-Jan-2017 18:16

blakamin:
You might as well add Stokes Valley, Naenae, and Taita to that list then.

They were not the same as the examples I quoted. They do have issues but not at the levels that Flaxmere and Wainuiomata with Flaxmere bring the most worrisome.

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#1698565 4-Jan-2017 19:40

I'm not familiar with any of those places - what's the issue with them?

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#1698569 4-Jan-2017 19:51

Fred99:
Deliberately agglomerating poor people isn't a good idea, even if that's what happens by default in a laissez-faire economy.

The proposed solutions miss the elephant in the room.

Prediction - it's probably gonna get worse.

Since the UK developments under discussion do not explicitly provide any housing for people that can be described as 'poor' by UK standards, this track of the discussion seems a bit irrelevant.

Similar to our Special Housing Area policy in NZ it appears the UK govt is expressing some kind of a preference for some 'affordable' housing to be part of those developments. People who can afford that provision are unlikely to be 'poor' by UK standards.

So by default, the poor are more likely to be found elsewhere.

That could be relevant after all.

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#1698571 4-Jan-2017 19:55

That's not so say that other government agencies will not provide housing services in the developed area. Maybe they will. That will tend to balance it a bit, but nothing I've seen says that is an aim.

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#1698600 4-Jan-2017 21:06

People who can afford nice houses do not generally want poor people as neighbours.

I recall a very expensive potential development which would have turned an old warehouse into apartments.

The local council insisted on the developer "pepperpotting" affordable housing apartments in the scheme.

The developer walked, because the council couldn't grasp that people who are willing and able to pay large amounts for posh flats would not accept the wrong social class as neighbours rendering the flats worth too little.

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#1698602 4-Jan-2017 21:18

Geektastic:

New garden towns and villages to provide 200,000 homes to ease housing shortage

It's just more sprawl. Not a solution even in the short term.....never mind the long term.

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#1698645 4-Jan-2017 23:38

Linuxluver:

Geektastic:

New garden towns and villages to provide 200,000 homes to ease housing shortage

It's just more sprawl. Not a solution even in the short term.....never mind the long term.

Unless you fancy Mega City One living, the only true solution is to control the human population but I can't see that happening in any meaningful sense.

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#1698725 5-Jan-2017 09:24

Geektastic:

Linuxluver:

Geektastic:

New garden towns and villages to provide 200,000 homes to ease housing shortage

It's just more sprawl. Not a solution even in the short term.....never mind the long term.

Unless you fancy Mega City One living, the only true solution is to control the human population but I can't see that happening in any meaningful sense.

Most (all?) wealthy nations have birth rates below population replacement.

The US and UK fertility rate (births / woman) are about 1.9 - the nations would have negative population growth if it wasn't for net migration gain.

So there is "control" on population through immigration.

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#1698754 5-Jan-2017 10:37

I'm talking about the overall population. The sustainable number for that is 2 billion at a European standard of living - and it is 3 times that now.

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#1700506 9-Jan-2017 13:21

Geektastic:

Linuxluver:

Geektastic:

New garden towns and villages to provide 200,000 homes to ease housing shortage

It's just more sprawl. Not a solution even in the short term.....never mind the long term.

Unless you fancy Mega City One living, the only true solution is to control the human population but I can't see that happening in any meaningful sense.

Nothing that The Apocalypse War wouldn't fix ..

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#1700513 9-Jan-2017 13:42

Sooner or later, overpopulation has a way of correcting itself.

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#1700522 9-Jan-2017 14:50

Fred99:

The US and UK fertility rate (births / woman) are about 1.9 - the nations would have negative population growth if it wasn't for net migration gain.

So there is "control" on population through immigration.

Except, in the UK's case, there is no control because EU membership means the UK has no say over immigration. Hence Brexit

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