New conspiracy theory: keep NZ safe, keep copper network

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#1948224 29-Jan-2018 17:19

gzt: Reliable in the sense that if the local power goes out your phone is powered by batteries at the exchange. It's not an issue for cities. Rural areas may have frequent power outages. I'll give them that point.

and yet all it takes is a single product such as:

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/UPSPSD1100/PowerShield-PSDCMIN1218-Mini-UPS-12VDC-1Amp-18Watt

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#1948225 29-Jan-2018 17:20

hio77:
Most New Zealanders cannot remember ever having lived without a basic home phone, thanks to the reliable copper-based infrastructure that has been installed all around New Zealand over the course of many, many decades.

I'm sorry? reliable?

I don't have the stats on hand, But I'm sure even @ChorusNZ will quote here Fibre faults are resolved far faster than Copper.

Simply put, a copper cable gets cut, you require to troubleshoot and find the fault.

Fibre gets cut, It can be logically calculated to the exact location.

On the RSP end, Fibre have access to know how the ciruit is preforming, If the fibre has a Kink in it causing degraded service we can tell this.

Copper, you have to go through about 50 hops and your still stuck up the creek on if a fault will magically disable with a no fault found etc...

Exactly this^^^^^

Anyone who thinks that the copper network is reliable, clearly has never had to deal with getting an intermittent fault located and fixed.

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#1948230 29-Jan-2018 17:28

gzt: Reliable in the sense that if the local power goes out your phone is powered by batteries at the exchange. It's not an issue for cities. Rural areas may have frequent power outages. I'll give them that point.

A cellphone easily solves this problem as it has an inbuilt battery. And after the Christchurch earthquakes, it was found that a large number of people were using cordless phones without investing in either battery backup or a corded phone.

Also in lots of areas, the copper phones are not actually connected to the exchange with copper. The copper lines instead go to a cabinet, and fibre connects the cabinet to the exchange.

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#1948231 29-Jan-2018 17:34

A more rational forward thinking and reliability enhancing submission on the bill would be to ask for a minimum period of standby power operation in the connection equipment chain(1) if the mains electricity goes down.

(1) Not on-premises equipment. That is the customers problem.

Obsequious hypocrite

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#1948233 29-Jan-2018 17:37

I don't think they actually deserve a serious response, but their issue does not seem to be with fibre as such, rather with using microwave in rural areas as part of the fibre roll-out elsewhere, or maybe just with any kind of modernisation. But I'm not entirely certain what they actually object to. I think it has to do with mind control and tinfoil hats. They aren't exactly coherent about it.

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#1948235 29-Jan-2018 17:39

ObidiahSlope:

A more rational forward thinking and reliability enhancing submission on the bill would be to ask for a minimum period of standby power operation in the connection equipment chain(1) if the mains electricity goes down.

(1) Not on-premises equipment. That is the customers problem.

Chorus's fibre rollout is passive through to the Exchange, where they have at bare minimum Batteries on site. Most also have generators on standby with reasonable amounts of fuel too (ok rural exchanges aren't often built out too well in this department but still...)

Ontop of this, the Fibre power usage is far more effective than having to pump up the voltage to deal with DC power loss.

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#1948237 29-Jan-2018 17:40

Rikkitic:

I don't think they actually deserve a serious response, but their issue does not seem to be with fibre as such, rather with using microwave in rural areas as part of the fibre roll-out elsewhere, or maybe just with any kind of modernisation. But I'm not entirely certain what they actually object to. I think it has to do with mind control and tinfoil hats. They aren't exactly coherent about it.

uh? in many situations MWave links have been replaced with physical cable routes as primaries in order to supply the required bandwidth to service a better than ADSL1 service..

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#1948239 29-Jan-2018 17:42

Some of the copper cabinets have microwave backhaul to them don't they?

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#1948240 29-Jan-2018 17:43

If that's the case then what are they objecting to? Isn't that what they want?

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#1948241 29-Jan-2018 17:45

hio77:
gzt: Reliable in the sense that if the local power goes out your phone is powered by batteries at the exchange. It's not an issue for cities. Rural areas may have frequent power outages. I'll give them that point.

and yet all it takes is a single product such as:

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/UPSPSD1100/PowerShield-PSDCMIN1218-Mini-UPS-12VDC-1Amp-18Watt

.. and similar which is not supplied by or available on any telco maintenance plan. It's a sensible decision but a loss of functionality.

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#1948242 29-Jan-2018 17:46

Rikkitic:

If that's the case then what are they objecting to? Isn't that what they want?

It's like the bandwagon objection to Spark decommissioning NEAX's in favor for BBIP..

Moving to a service that has cheaper running costs with a better product (be it support for legacy things may be limited)

To the end user, there is a very little to no difference - How many people here know they have a mwave link in their Cell service or BB service?

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#1948243 29-Jan-2018 17:47

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.. and similar which is not supplied by or available on any telco maintenance plan. It's a sensible decision but a loss of functionality.

IMO, That's the customer's premises and up to them to service.

It's like supplying a modem...

Customers's expect it to work endlessly, that means an upkeep on the product - Think of it like a customer expecting their 4 year old phone to have the battery replaced free of cost...

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#1948245 29-Jan-2018 17:50

Aredwood: Also in lots of areas, the copper phones are not actually connected to the exchange with copper. The copper lines instead go to a cabinet, and fibre connects the cabinet to the exchange.

I don't know for sure, but I'm thinking those cabinets are battery backed.

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#1948246 29-Jan-2018 17:54

gzt:
Aredwood: Also in lots of areas, the copper phones are not actually connected to the exchange with copper. The copper lines instead go to a cabinet, and fibre connects the cabinet to the exchange.

I don't know for sure, but I'm thinking those cabinets are battery backed.

They dont last that long tho, Couple of prior overnight powercuts in storms in urban auckland and I lost sync overnight despite the router still being on thanks to big-ass car battery.

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#1948247 29-Jan-2018 17:56

hio77:
gzt:
.. and similar which is not supplied by or available on any telco maintenance plan. It's a sensible decision but a loss of functionality.

IMO, That's the customer's premises and up to them to service.

It's like supplying a modem...

Customers's expect it to work endlessly, that means an upkeep on the product - Think of it like a customer expecting their 4 year old phone to have the battery replaced free of cost...

Yes agree. Modems are provided as a purchase option by the telco and replaced under warranty on the same basis.

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