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#2680681 25-Mar-2021 21:18

Here's an official announcement:

https://www.uber.com/en-NZ/newsroom/alcoholdeliverynz/

If a delivery person observes that you are visibly intoxicated, they’re prompted by the app to return the alcohol to the store and they will be paid to do so.

That's something - although it's unclear if that's a net loss for the driver.

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#2680729 25-Mar-2021 21:24

Googling alcohol delivery NZ:

https://www.google.com/search?q=alcohol+delivery+nz

Many outfits offer a very similar service already. Looks like the horse has bolted and the potential objectors were mostly unaware.

I'm guessing delivery direct from liquor shops will vastly improve the price compared to dealing with an individual licensee and markup as those other services seem to be.

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#2680739 25-Mar-2021 21:45

it's already happening and if i read it right its either a bottle of wine or a six pack of beer.

That's not really enough to have a bender, drivers get compensated if receivers are deemed inebriated. Much the same as current services, yeah, socially it's not really required, but neither are a large proportion of "delivery food services" if we really get into it

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#2680812 25-Mar-2021 23:16

I'm thinking the Uber Eats drivers will do what they usually do with my food orders - place it on the door step and then bugger off without even knocking.

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#2680817 25-Mar-2021 23:29

Rikkitic:

I honestly have to wonder if this is something we really need.

"Need" is a fairly abstract concept and almost irrelevant in Western society. We have so much material wealth we don't "need" but certainly we want them. Most families don't "need" 2 cars, a 200m2 house or to go on holiday. Many of us want these things.

Harm is much more relevant than need.

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#2680866 26-Mar-2021 07:57

networkn:

Just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't make it right.

There is a difference between online delivery by a supermarket, which will likely have a day or more delay, and essentially booze within 60 minutes.

For the record, I do not support booze delivery at all.

Why is Uber being targeted? Because I got an email about it, and Uber would be the biggest delivery platform in the country.

Lastly, the issue is as much with making the driver responsible for ensuring whoever ordered is over 18, and secondly, required to make a judgement call on sobriety, something fairly subjective and not something that should be put on an unqualified delivery driver. It's also about the fact a person getting $5 for delivery, could be subjected to a 10K fine.

It's possibly not a problem if everything goes smoothly and for a person who is drinking responsibly, but let's be honest, we have a problem in NZ with responsible drinking.

nah nah nah... If you think it's not right, does not mean it's actually not right thing to do.

I do understand and support your concerns, but let's not be and do NOT act like "nanny state", which we all hate on the forum all the time.

there always be service abusers, but for the majority it's something they dreamed about - ordering that perfect lamb carry with a bottle of shiraz, hhmmmm yuuuuummmyyyyy

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#2680875 26-Mar-2021 08:28

Handle9:

Rikkitic:

I honestly have to wonder if this is something we really need.

"Need" is a fairly abstract concept and almost irrelevant in Western society. We have so much material wealth we don't "need" but certainly we want them. Most families don't "need" 2 cars, a 200m2 house or to go on holiday. Many of us want these things.

Harm is much more relevant than need.

I was speaking tongue in cheek but I certainly don't see a 'need' for round-the-clock alcohol delivery to the door and anyone who doesn't think alcohol does enormous harm is living in la la land. I say this as a drinker myself and I made use of store deliveries during lockdown, but I still don't think this is a good idea.

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#2680877 26-Mar-2021 08:33

Rikkitic
I was speaking tongue in cheek but I certainly don't see a 'need' for round-the-clock alcohol delivery to the door and anyone who doesn't think alcohol does enormous harm is living in la la land. I say this as a drinker myself and I made use of store deliveries during lockdown, but I still don't think this is a good idea.

There's really no need for any sort of home delivery. It's sure convenient but you don't need it.

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#2680890 26-Mar-2021 09:01

Rikkitic:

I honestly have to wonder if this is something we really need.

My point exactly. Do we need to take something which is something we already have a substantial issue within NZ, and makes it even more convenient to get. Yes, I understand there are other companies doing it, and so I guess the argument becomes two-fold, should we allow 'urgent' alcohol deliveries at all vs should the nations largest delivery provider be doing it. Obviously, it's more a moral thing than a legal thing, since it's obviously legal (though it's going to be interesting to see how they handle age verification and intoxication detection and who is ultimately responsible).

Personally, I think dropping the drinking age to 18 was one of the biggest mistakes we have made in recent times as a nation, and I think same-day delivery of alcohol shouldn't be allowed either.

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#2680903 26-Mar-2021 09:29

I have always been a strong believer in maximum personal freedom (and responsibility!) and minimal government interference. As a matter of principle, I cheered when the drinking age was lowered though it did not affect me directly at all. But in retrospect I agree it was a mistake and I admit I was wrong. Coming from Europe, I had a European perspective on the matter. What I didn't realise was just how appallingly infantile many New Zealanders are when it comes to alcohol. They literally cannot hold their drink. Seeing young people staggering around Cuba Street every weekend is an eye opener.

This country's drinking culture seems to still be affected by the six o'clock swill. I am certainly not in favour of banning alcohol. As I said, I enjoy a drink myself an that genie is already well and truly out of the bottle (pun intended). But I don't see why it has to be made even more accessible than it already is, when so many people here have so much trouble with self-control.

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#2680906 26-Mar-2021 09:39

Rikkitic:

I have always been a strong believer in maximum personal freedom (and responsibility!) and minimal government interference. As a matter of principle, I cheered when the drinking age was lowered though it did not affect me directly at all. But in retrospect I agree it was a mistake and I admit I was wrong. Coming from Europe, I had a European perspective on the matter. What I didn't realise was just how appallingly infantile many New Zealanders are when it comes to alcohol. They literally cannot hold their drink. Seeing young people staggering around Cuba Street every weekend is an eye opener.

This country's drinking culture seems to still be affected by the six o'clock swill. I am certainly not in favour of banning alcohol. As I said, I enjoy a drink myself an that genie is already well and truly out of the bottle (pun intended). But I don't see why it has to be made even more accessible than it already is, when so many people here have so much trouble with self-control.

Yes, Agreed the European way of drinking is quite a lot different to ours, it's a 'healty' part of culture from a younger age. Having said that, travelling to Europe as an adult, I was shocked how badly behaved youth were on the streets under the influence and didn't really consider it much different to Queen/Cuba street on a Friday/Saturday night.

My issue with lowering the drinking age has always been one of judgment. When the drinking age was 20, a 20-year-old would give an 18 or 17-year-old booze they weren't supposed to have. When the drinking age dropped, what happened was that 18-year-olds were giving 13-15 year olds alcohol. It shows the maturity difference between 18 and 20.

I don't feel booze is beneficial to society overall (balance of worst harm vs best benefit) but understand they are never banning it. I don't begrudge anyone having a drink per se. I do however feel there is too much focus on it in NZ, and the binge mentality of getting smashed you drink I can't really get my head around. I've never had alcohol (as a drink) as it does not interest me in the slightest, but I don't care if people I am with, drink. I don't have a lot of tolerance of people who overdo it.

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#2680931 26-Mar-2021 10:26

Lets not even pretend that many Uber drivers will give a rats arse if the person is drunk or under age
Its not their job , and being youngish themselves they will have a different attitude towards this .

We allready have drunks still being sold booze in pubs and bottle stores, and allready easy for under age teens to get booze
This will just make it easier to just even more totalled at home or at parties . You'll never run out

Im not anti booze btw, but lets not pretend its not a major problem . Why make it even easier to get ?
At least in my young days, when I ran out of booze (or money)for the night ,that was it . I couldnt get any more or any drunker .
Now , no limits except your wallet .

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#2680961 26-Mar-2021 11:00

2017 https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/98623105/alcohol-taxi-deliveries-to-elderly-probably-a-bigger-problem-than-we-know

The article mentioned that 10 -15 years before the Police had warned taxi drivers not to deliver alcohol. Almost 50 years ago i remember seeing the pin board in front of the Wgtn Combined Taxis dispatcher covered in reminders of who could deliver and what. It's just more open now.

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#2680964 26-Mar-2021 11:10

networkn:

Yes, Agreed the European way of drinking is quite a lot different to ours, it's a 'healty' part of culture from a younger age. Having said that, travelling to Europe as an adult, I was shocked how badly behaved youth were on the streets under the influence and didn't really consider it much different to Queen/Cuba street on a Friday/Saturday night.

Times change. It also depends on location. Scandinavian countries like Sweden are generally restrictive about alcohol and taxation makes it very expensive there. So whenever we had young Swedes in Amsterdam, they would generally get as drunk as they could and make a public spectacle of themselves.

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#2680985 26-Mar-2021 11:52

Last time I was in Siem Reap I went to Burger King out of curiosity: you can order beer with your whopper meal! I can only imagine the chaos if that was possible here.

As a very very light drinker verging on teetotal but for the odd glass at a special occasion etc I have to confess to finding the alcohol obsession in NZ a bit perplexing.

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