learnt from overseas media we are not letting Aussie nuclear sub in

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#2779716 17-Sep-2021 07:37

The new partnership is designed to counter threats in the Indo-Pacific, which is a politician’s way of saying that Australians should be scared of China, without saying it, because our country would get absolutely smoked if the Morrison government’s pitiful attempts at managing hostile diplomatic relations with our biggest trading partner resulted in some sort of a military conflict.

However the idea that our country of 25 million people, with a military of 43,000 personnel wouldn’t stand a chance in a war against 1.4 billion Chinese, looks to be a myth that Scotty From Marketing is keen to bust.

Because we have eight new submarines on the way, in 25 years, if everything goes to plan.

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/breaking-news/china-panics-after-learning-theyve-only-got-25-years-until-australia-gets-8-new-submarines/

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#2779719 17-Sep-2021 08:08

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Have we ever let any nuclear subs in? I didn't think we did?

The USS Pintado visited in 1978 and the USS Haddo in 1979

Those were deliberate provocations by the Muldoon (PM 12 December 1975 – 26 July 1984) government, hoping for scenes of disorder to harden up the "lauranorda" vote for the National Party government. Those visits served no military purpose and had no diplomatic benefit to the USA.

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#2779721 17-Sep-2021 08:15

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gzt Myself and 2 other GZ members visited Chernobyl about 3 years ago and it was awesome!

I'm interested to know whether you mean 'awesome' in the literal meaning of the word (as in it inspired awe) or in the colloquial (as in fantastic)?

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#2779725 17-Sep-2021 08:34

gzt:

Batman: learnt from overseas media we are not letting Aussie nuclear sub in

Not sure what your point is. I find out about NZ things first on overseas news sites all the time if I happen to visit them for entirely different reasons.

I don't know why the OP's surprise discovery. The New Zealand policy on anti-nuclear powered vessels visiting our waters is well known and established as doctrine for decades now.

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#2779726 17-Sep-2021 08:39

jonathan18:

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gzt Myself and 2 other GZ members visited Chernobyl about 3 years ago and it was awesome!

I'm interested to know whether you mean 'awesome' in the literal meaning of the word (as in it inspired awe) or in the colloquial (as in fantastic)?

I think he's speaking of it in glowing terms, radiating confidence, without russian in to conclusions about the risks - or having a meltdown. I think that's the core of the comment.

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#2779830 17-Sep-2021 11:28

Couple of things about this.

Surely a Nuclear submarine gives way less emissions than a diesel powered one?

If we are against Nuclear power for submarines then we should be against Nuclear power for any kind of power source and thus should be telling other countries they can only have renewables for power?

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#2779874 17-Sep-2021 12:32

Most US ships cant come here either, even their conventional powered ones, as they wont confirm or deny if they have nuclear weapons on board.

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#2779879 17-Sep-2021 12:37

National Party governments did not allow visits by nuclear powered vessels and unlikely to allow it in future either:

RNZ 2016: The USS Sampson will take part in the New Zealand Navy 75th anniversary celebrations next month. Prime Minister John Key [National Government] said he was satisfied the military ship was not nuclear armed or powered after considering official advice.

Some posters are really missing the point or reading articles with no context.

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#2779888 17-Sep-2021 12:59

Is this not a backdoor to the nuclear weapons treaty ? Becuase the fuel used in American / UK Naval reactors is weapons grade. Not the usual low grade in other reactors. So if Aussie use American/UK reactors therefore they would posses weapons grade material.

They could then breakout at anytime to produce a bomb within weeks from there. Maybe that is the message they trying to send to China?

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#2779891 17-Sep-2021 13:18

Interesting, I never realized the submarine nuclear fuel was that refined? Certainly interesting potential things behind the scenes that could be implied but without knowing what gets discussed behind closed government doors we'd most likely never know for sure.

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#2779900 17-Sep-2021 13:40

Anyone played Civilization Revolution on PS3?

I think we need a Civilization with today's superpowers on PS5 and Xbox X.

It would be so interesting!

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#2779929 17-Sep-2021 14:55

Dingbatt:

The very nature of a nuclear powered submarine is that you don’t know it’s there unless it wants you to know. It’s an abiding shame people don’t seem to know the difference between nuclear power (propulsion) and nuclear weapons.

Nine nuclear submarines have sunk, either by accident or scuttling. The Soviet Navy has lost five (one of which sank twice), the Russian Navy two, and the United States Navy (USN) two.

So, apart from any weapons on board, there is still the reactor which will STILL eventually corrode through and leak.

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#2779935 17-Sep-2021 15:05

How can it be “lost” if it sank twice?

The Soviet Union also ran the only nuclear reactor to ever explode (Chernobyl).

Remember when the Rena ran aground and the massive environmental damage that caused? I guess we should stop container imports just in case.

I thought the NZ government would support the RAN reducing their carbon footprint.

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#2779940 17-Sep-2021 15:24

I must say the Chinese Communist Party bluster about Australia 'potentially' having a Nuclear Submarine ...
Well it borders on the comical.
So you have an expanding bunch of your own Nuclear Powered Attack and Ballistic Missile submarines,
and call provocation and proliferation.
To further build confidence you are 'mostly harmless' you take aggressive actions in South China Sea against international tribunals.

Taking lessons from North Korea ?

Prediction , Midnight Oil with reform, and create an album of hit anti Nuclear Submarine songs.
A future Australian Government will shelve the whole thing as uneconomic.
Tesla will propose a Tesla stealth submarine, with its own inbuilt self destruct mechanism.

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#2779981 17-Sep-2021 17:02

gzt: No doubt you would find the navy disposal Hanford nuclear storage site equally fascinating.

The Nevada test site was a lot more interesting, you get to see up-close all the stuff that you normally only ever see as video clips in documentaries. Looking down into the Sedan crater gives you an idea of just how big those events were.

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