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Talkiet

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#1471685 15-Jan-2016 10:24

Al Jazeera is my GoTo for world news... There isn't a good NZ news site.

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#1471690 15-Jan-2016 10:27

This year I donated $1,000 to the Scoop Foundation for Public Interest Journalism.

I also subscribe to Bernard Hickey's "Hive News". It's a daily newsletter about matters political and economic. $29.95 / month. If we want better news then we are going to have to pay for it. If more of us do it, then it will either get better or cheaper or both.

There is no other way.

I refuse to subscribe to the Herald. I don't pay for propaganda.

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#1471719 15-Jan-2016 10:46

People still actually look at stuff.co.nz I find they are more a gossip site than a news site, they seem to centre around "Art and Matilda" the Kardashians and what Richie McCaw ate for breakfast that day.

Stuff also have breaking news stories about small crime that is happening in Aus or the US that is of no interest to most people

Their are much better news sites around than stuff that don't feature gossip.

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#1471725 15-Jan-2016 10:49

Talkiet: Al Jazeera is my GoTo for world news... There isn't a good NZ news site.

Cheers - N

Al Jazeera has announced that there US office will be closing early this US as its losing money hand over fist.

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#1471733 15-Jan-2016 10:53

I find the NBR pretty good with what they put out. Obviously their range is limited though and as their smaller, it's not updated as frequently. I'm lucky to get an IP subscription via work.

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#1471978 15-Jan-2016 14:56

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/75930736/fourteen-dead-in-japan-tour-bus-crash

I wonder if they had cellphone coverage less people would have died.

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#1472016 15-Jan-2016 15:48

JimmyH: I just remain astonished that people still mistake stuff.co.nz for a bona fide news site.

I think Stuff can have real news - like breaking news... before they can work out how to monetize it further.

Do I trust Stuff in any way?

Probably not.

I am thinking about the recent news about David Bowie's death.

I looked Stuff.. confirmed.. but not trusted..

I had to look at several other sites to confirm it wasn't a hoax.

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#1472031 15-Jan-2016 16:04

As a former freelance writer who also did journalistic work (in Europe), this is a subject close to my heart. When I came to New Zealand, I was shocked and surprised at the extent of the commercialisation of the media here. You see this on TV with the ridiculous shopping channels (why we need more than one, or even one, mystifies me), the incessant screaming ads and the dumbing-down of the news and other programming. You see it in print media, where it becomes harder and harder to tell what is advertising and what is editorial, at least until you start reading. This seems to be happening everywhere to some extent, but in Europe the line is still much more sharply drawn. There is a clear and definite difference between content that is meant to inform and content that is meant to manipulate.

I think this is a huge loss for society. For me personally, it means I find it almost impossible to get good information about the place I live in. I frequently turn to Australian public broadcasting sources like SBS and ABC as the next-best thing, because at least they are in the same region. Here about the only thing left is Radio NZ (and Geekzone!) and I read the web site every day. I have given up even trying to get anything informative or meaningful from TV1 or TV3 news, or the truly awful Seven Sharp and Story. A lot of people didn't like Campbell Live because of the perceived 'left-wing bias' (whatever that is), but at least it raised many important issues that would otherwise not have seen the light of day. I for one miss it. What matters is not the political perspective of the presenter, but the quality of the items presented. At least Campbell Live tried to hold politicians to account and do serious journalism. That is now woefully lacking in this country and we are not better for it.

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#1472038 15-Jan-2016 16:09

I read the thread title ("Just when you think Fairfax/Stuff.co.nz cannot get any worse....") and came here just to say that no matter how bad Stuff gets I have never thought they couldn't get worse...

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#1472172 15-Jan-2016 19:39

Rikkitic: Here about the only thing left is Radio NZ (and Geekzone!) and I read the web site every day. I have given up even trying to get anything informative or meaningful from TV1 or TV3 news, or the truly awful Seven Sharp and Story. A lot of people didn't like Campbell Live because of the perceived 'left-wing bias' (whatever that is), but at least it raised many important issues that would otherwise not have seen the light of day. I for one miss it. What matters is not the political perspective of the presenter, but the quality of the items presented. At least Campbell Live tried to hold politicians to account and do serious journalism. That is now woefully lacking in this country and we are not better for it.

I think ditching Campbell Live was a huge mistake. Supposedly Mediaworks took the axe to it because it wasn't rating and, whilst I don't agree that Story is all bad, the reality is that its ratings are well short of Campbell Live's. I predict that they will axe it later this year and replace it with some sort of mind destroying foreign serial drama. It will be interesting to see John Campbell going head-to-head with Duncan Garner in the drive time radio slot in the coming weeks.

I would say that The Nation is the only quality domestic current affairs show left, and I really hope it doesn't suffer the same fate as 3D.

I generally regard Mediaworks' news offering as being of a much higher standard than Fairfax and NZME, but they are still pretty sloppy at times. I wonder if the upcoming launch of Newshub will be the catalyst for more dumbing down.

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#1472436 16-Jan-2016 10:29

BTR:
Talkiet: Al Jazeera is my GoTo for world news... There isn't a good NZ news site.

Cheers - N

Al Jazeera has announced that there US office will be closing early this US as its losing money hand over fist.

We don't see Al Jazeera US anyway. The Al Jazeera on Freeview is from Doha in Qatar.

The Emir of Qatar funds Al Jazeera. He doesn't like American and British propaganda any more than anyone else. Like Russia's RT, the intention is provide a different point of view that can contest the US/UK political narrative.

Al Jazeera is interesting because even though they may be completely untrustworthy about anything to do with Qatar......Qatar is such a tiny place it hardly matters. But when the US or UK spread misinformation.....that's all we get about almost everything their interests affect....which is almost everything except car crashes, murders, sex crimes and celebrity tittle-tattle.

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#1472443 16-Jan-2016 10:39

Al Jazeera US is gone now anyway.

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#1475018 20-Jan-2016 06:50

Al Jazeera may be propaganda but much cleverer than RT and Fox.

Rikkitic: As a former freelance writer who also did journalistic work (in Europe), this is a subject close to my heart. When I came to New Zealand, I was shocked and surprised at the extent of the commercialisation of the media here. You see this on TV with the ridiculous shopping channels (why we need more than one, or even one, mystifies me), the incessant screaming ads and the dumbing-down of the news and other programming. You see it in print media, where it becomes harder and harder to tell what is advertising and what is editorial, at least until you start reading. This seems to be happening everywhere to some extent, but in Europe the line is still much more sharply drawn. There is a clear and definite difference between content that is meant to inform and content that is meant to manipulate.

I think this is a huge loss for society. For me personally, it means I find it almost impossible to get good information about the place I live in. I frequently turn to Australian public broadcasting sources like SBS and ABC as the next-best thing, because at least they are in the same region. Here about the only thing left is Radio NZ (and Geekzone!) and I read the web site every day. I have given up even trying to get anything informative or meaningful from TV1 or TV3 news, or the truly awful Seven Sharp and Story. A lot of people didn't like Campbell Live because of the perceived 'left-wing bias' (whatever that is), but at least it raised many important issues that would otherwise not have seen the light of day. I for one miss it. What matters is not the political perspective of the presenter, but the quality of the items presented. At least Campbell Live tried to hold politicians to account and do serious journalism. That is now woefully lacking in this country and we are not better for it.

New Zealand is small enough that journalists' activities are personalised while overseas their names are forgotten as they're part of a system. Campbell made himself too unpopular with enough people by trampling on the biggest vested interests, calling his stories "campaigns" and being a lightning rod for "provincial" types who saw him as being too Auckland-centric. In a small society there is much more personalised pressure on anyone who stirs the pot and some media organisations would see content that offends the rich and powerful as a threat to their business.

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#1475022 20-Jan-2016 07:28

Talkiet: Literally the top 4 articles on Stuff right now have a quote as part of the headline. None to the level above, but sheesh...

Cheers - N

On the news last night: We speak to a man who single handedly pulled 60 people out of the water - paraphrased

Then a boat sank but all 55 people on board were rescued...

Bad new, bad!

Interestingly there was a reported drowning story on the NZ Herald site that was put up minutes after it was reported to emergency services, in fact the emergency services were en route to the incident when it appeared.

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#1475023 20-Jan-2016 07:38

dickytim:

Talkiet: Literally the top 4 articles on Stuff right now have a quote as part of the headline. None to the level above, but sheesh...

Cheers - N

On the news last night: We speak to a man who single handedly pulled 60 people out of the water - paraphrased

Then a boat sank but all 55 people on board were rescued...

Bad new, bad!

Interestingly there was a reported drowning story on the NZ Herald site that was put up minutes after it was reported to emergency services, in fact the emergency services were en route to the incident when it appeared.

55 people 5 crew i think it was?

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