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#1269004 27-Mar-2015 13:06
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Put the kettle in a bell jar and evacuate. Not only is it quiet, but it boils faster too.





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  #1269039 27-Mar-2015 14:05
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frankv: Put the kettle in a bell jar and evacuate. Not only is it quiet, but it boils faster too.


Depends on how loud your vacuum pump is. And also if you desire a pot of room temperature boiling water.

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  #1269111 27-Mar-2015 15:56
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We have a Brevile with Quiet Boil Technology. It is the noisiest kettle we have had.



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  #1269146 27-Mar-2015 17:19
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If I could afford it (or more to the point, convince my wife to allow me to buy one) I would get one of these

http://www.insinkerator.co.nz/store/instant-hot-water-taps/gn1100/

We use enough hot water during the day to make this worthwhile and it's really quiet.

I have this kettle

http://www.breville.co.nz/kettle-5866.html

It started off quiet but I have now had two fail on my and the third takes a long time to stop boiling once the correct temperature is reached.

Since the kitchen is open plan when the kettle is boiling the noise can be annoying over the TV.




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  #1269160 27-Mar-2015 17:27
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Handsomedan:
andrewNZ: 


If anyone suggests a Russell Hobbs Whisper Kettle, I'll have the geekzone secret service deal to you


We've had one of those for a few years now. 

It was incredibly quiet for about three weeks. 

Now, it's the loudest kettle we've ever owned, but it boils quickly, so we make do. 


Have same kettle with same problem, loudest is being nice, deafening better describes my whisper kettle.
I did read somewhere that the reason it was quiet was a plastic bit in the water muffling bubbles/noise, but after a few boils the plastic hardens and turns that whisper tech into a $20 warehouse kettle.

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  #1269170 27-Mar-2015 17:55
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Hammerer:
JamesL: I don't think there's such a thing as a quiet kettle tbh, I've been through many and any that claim to be quiet is BS.. Quiet vs a jet engine maybe?


Apparently, Consumer and other researchers are wasting their time measuring noise levels. I guess that you'll wonder how these academics got their paper, Why does heating water in a kettle produce sound?, accepted for publication with the fanciful idea that it is possible to have a kettle that can effectively boil water silently.

Quietness is relative to the listener so it is no surprise that people have different viewpoints. The quietness of a kettle is affected by the acoustic characteristics of the location, the water level, the water quality, and residues remaining in the kettle. So it is not entirely the fault of the kettle manufacturer when they are not as quiet as expected.

In summary, Aljishi & Tatarkiewicz found that the following stages in heating fresh tap water:

 

  • silent convection
  • nucleate boiling where most of the noise comes from the explosive creation and collapse of vapour bubbles

     

    • nearly silent ~40C bubbles form from dissolved air
    • noisy ~70C vapour bubbles nucleate on the heated bottom of the kettle and collapse
    • noisier ~90C vapour bubbles coalesce from the heated surface to create larger bubbles that can rise to the top surface to explode
    • noisiest ~90C large vapour bubbles form throughout most of the water
They discuss that the frequency of the sound waves is affected by the shape of the container and the amount of water. They also mention resonance which can occur in a fixed container (like in an organ pipe). It appears that the drop off in intensity of the sound when the kettle boils is due to water roiling and so the water level is not constant thereby disrupting resonance effects.

Two of the methods for reducing sound independent of the kettle used are:

 

  • using deionised or distilled water moves nucleate bubble formation until just before 100C
  • stirring the water (they used a Teflon rod) to reduce non-uniform heating and bubble formation is equivalent to using deionised/distilled water
[Edited to fix grammar and clarity]


Interesting!

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  #1269245 27-Mar-2015 20:22
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khull:
DS248: We have a Breville BKE590 "Quite Boil Technology" kettle (photo below).

Much quieter than a 'normal' electric kettle

Stainless steel.




This one exactly - it is so quiet it has a bell that goes ding when it is done boiling.

Reality is you just need to clean the kettle. All of them will become loud eventually because of hard water deposits. Invest in a $6 kettle cleaner or use vinegar (lots of it) first before you go out and find a new one


You can also take two lemons cut them up and fill the kettle to the top and boil them twice and rinse.

 
 
 

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  #1269271 27-Mar-2015 20:39
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Hammerer: 
Apparently, Consumer and other researchers are wasting their time measuring noise levels. I guess that you'll wonder how these academics got their paper, Why does heating water in a kettle produce sound?, accepted for publication with the fanciful idea that it is possible to have a kettle that can effectively boil water silently.

Quietness is relative to the listener so it is no surprise that people have different viewpoints. The quietness of a kettle is affected by the acoustic characteristics of the location, the water level, the water quality, and residues remaining in the kettle. So it is not entirely the fault of the kettle manufacturer when they are not as quiet as expected.

In summary, Aljishi & Tatarkiewicz found that the following stages in heating fresh tap water:

 

  • silent convection
  • nucleate boiling where most of the noise comes from the explosive creation and collapse of vapour bubbles

     

    • nearly silent ~40C bubbles form from dissolved air
    • noisy ~70C vapour bubbles nucleate on the heated bottom of the kettle and collapse
    • noisier ~90C vapour bubbles coalesce from the heated surface to create larger bubbles that can rise to the top surface to explode
    • noisiest ~90C large vapour bubbles form throughout most of the water
They discuss that the frequency of the sound waves is affected by the shape of the container and the amount of water. They also mention resonance which can occur in a fixed container (like in an organ pipe). It appears that the drop off in intensity of the sound when the kettle boils is due to water roiling and so the water level is not constant thereby disrupting resonance effects.

Two of the methods for reducing sound independent of the kettle used are:

 

  • using deionised or distilled water moves nucleate bubble formation until just before 100C
  • stirring the water (they used a Teflon rod) to reduce non-uniform heating and bubble formation is equivalent to using deionised/distilled water
[Edited to fix grammar and clarity]


That must be the most awesomely comprehensive answer to a water boiling forum post ever.

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  #1269319 27-Mar-2015 22:17
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mdf: ...
That must be the most awesomely comprehensive answer to a water boiling forum post ever.


That made me smile. smile Even if it were sarcastic, that would make me laugh. laughing

Then it reminded me that one of my nicknames used to be "Technical". That's why I really enjoyed reading the technical paper and found it hard to leave out a couple of the best bits because they weren't really germane to the original question.

[PS found mistake which should have said "noisiest ~90-100C large vapour bubbles form throughout most of the water"]

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  #1269322 27-Mar-2015 22:22
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I've got to be completely honest - a quiet kettle sounds like snake oil to me. 

It's a kettle. It boils water, it's gonna be a bit noisy. Personally, as stupid as it sounds, I'd try repositioning your kettle somewhere else in your kitchen. I noticed a decrease in noise when moved away from the corner of the kitchen (makes sense).


We've got the hot water taps in the kitchen at work. Now, they are much quieter, granted, but I can still hear the small cylinder boil ever now and then.

I suspect their may be the more expensive model (read, probably not worth your time), that would heat the water as it goes through, much like our old gas hot water, but even talking about it makes it sound expensive.

TL;DR - reposition jug in kitchen (assuming electric) and see if that decreases the noise level some.

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  #1269343 27-Mar-2015 22:45
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Hammerer: [PS found mistake which should have said "noisiest ~90-100C large vapour bubbles form throughout most of the water"]


Fixed the actual post to reflect this wink




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  #1269360 27-Mar-2015 23:11
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lchiu7:
It started off quiet but I have now had two fail on my and the third takes a long time to stop boiling once the correct temperature is reached.

Since the kitchen is open plan when the kettle is boiling the noise can be annoying over the TV.


That's why I dont get this trend of sticking a kitchen in the middle of your lounge room. So noisy and smelly. Ugh.




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  #1269414 28-Mar-2015 08:51
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The old style kettles with the element in the water are much quieter.

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If anyone suggests a Russell Hobbs Whisper Kettle, I'll have the geekzone secret service deal to you

LOL.
I have one.
I bought it off TRademe from a lady who ditched it because it lost it's quiet.

However it is reasonable....the one I had before that was jet takeoff loud.
This is mildly noisy.

I also hate all the plastic jugs around these days, or the plastic parts in jugs type.

The one I have now is 100% metal, it did have some weird filter thingy in the spout that was plastic, I removed it.

Numerous friends battled for ages with their plastic nasty taste jugs.
I cure one, it had plastic spout bits and I pulled it put in the end and they repeated all the baking soda, lemon, vinegar things they had already tried - this time with success.


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Hammerer:
mdf: ...
That must be the most awesomely comprehensive answer to a water boiling forum post ever.


That made me smile. smile Even if it were sarcastic, that would make me laugh. laughing

Then it reminded me that one of my nicknames used to be "Technical". That's why I really enjoyed reading the technical paper and found it hard to leave out a couple of the best bits because they weren't really germane to the original question.

[PS found mistake which should have said "noisiest ~90-100C large vapour bubbles form throughout most of the water"]


No, I was being genuine, not sarcastic at all. And that statement isn't sarcastic either. 

We're obviously somewhat kindred spirits. I *love* all the technical detail too. I can spend hours on wikipedia following links with about a thousand tabs open. XKCD's "what if" is my favourite website. After Geekzone of course - trying to stay onside with the GZSS.

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