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#1680459 1-Dec-2016 08:00

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there has to be a paying model that the masses would subscribe to that costs less then the hardcopy version by far.

There is

https://dompost.mypaper.co.nz/

$20/month, vs around $48 for the printed version

NZHerald is $10/month for the digital edition. https://nzherald.digitaledition.nzme.co.nz

Or you can get it - and lots of other publications like WSJ, FT, etc via Pressreader at USD30/month/publication (or USD0.99 for a single copy of a newspaper). Magazine pricing might be different, I've never looked.

Or you might be able to access PressReader through your local library subscription for no additional payment (e.g. Wellington). Good to get some ROI for our rates. You also get access to Lynda.com for a reasonable good selection of on-line training courses across a broad range of subjects.

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#1680484 1-Dec-2016 08:29

It may have already been mentioned, but RadioNZ is great for news, very good website and great selection of podcasts. The standard of content is much higher than the likes of Stuff.co.nz or NZHerald.

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#1680491 1-Dec-2016 08:47

@#$@#$ hell, these threads so quickly descend into a predictable but not even slightly entertaining version of those two old men in the Muppets.

Wow, networkn, I never would have known you had a dislike for John Campbell, as it's not something you mention every opportunity you get! Agree with the post that said your dislike appears to be more related to Campbell's style rather than a meaningful judgement of the quality of his journalistic skills (and I'll acknowledge he's a highly polarising character; you'll be surprised to hear I like the guy!).

And, yes, there are damn good TV-based journalists - but many of these are no longer on TV. As I've mentioned previously, much of the 3 Degrees team now works for Fairfax for their Circuit team. These are the people who have brought us key reporting on cases like Taina Pora. What about Mihinirangi Forbes' reporting on the kohanga reo trust? Melanie Reed, as noted as being involved in this new venture?

And RNZ continues to do an amazing job (especially given their budget) with attracting quality journalists. How great it's been having Kim Hill back on Morning Report - that interview with Anne Tolley yesterday was classic!

And, moving back to more on-topic, it's worth pointing out another new news/current affairs site - Bauer media (owns most NZ magazines) has launched www.noted.co.nz, which is a totally free collection of articles from their stable - most importantly the Listener, North and South, and Metro.

Yet another example (such as www.thespinoff.co.nz) that the quality and quantity on-line news and current affairs content available FREE to NZers is not nearly as sparse as the doomsayers (including many on this forum) like to make out.

Personally, I'm interested to see how this new venture pans out; and, yep, I'd potentially look at paying to access the content should it be priced right: I currently don't have paid subs to newspapers or magazines (read the Dom Post at work; read many magazines for free via the library's Zinnnio account), so happy to pay something if it's good.

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#1680495 1-Dec-2016 08:54

jonathan18:

And RNZ continues to do an amazing job (especially given their budget) with attracting quality journalists. How great it's been having Kim Hill back on Morning Report - that interview with Anne Tolley yesterday was classic!

Seriously? I found her so rude and interrupting that I switched from RNZ to music on USB for the rest of my commute. And again today when she started with the judge. She just seems to be on a personal mission to prove people wrong by forensically dissecting their words an putting her own spin on them. How RNZ thinks it's good radio to devote 20+ minutes of peak time radio to this non story is beyond me

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#1680512 1-Dec-2016 09:17

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Seriously? I found her so rude and interrupting that I switched from RNZ to music on USB for the rest of my commute. And again today when she started with the judge. She just seems to be on a personal mission to prove people wrong by forensically dissecting their words an putting her own spin on them. How RNZ thinks it's good radio to devote 20+ minutes of peak time radio to this non story is beyond me

I can understand how you may have found her rude , but the suggestion this a "non story" is, to use your words, beyond me...

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#1680514 1-Dec-2016 09:17

jonathan18:

@#$@#$ hell, these threads so quickly descend into a predictable but not even slightly entertaining version of those two old men in the Muppets.

Wow, networkn, I never would have known you had a dislike for John Campbell, as it's not something you mention every opportunity you get! Agree with the post that said your dislike appears to be more related to Campbell's style rather than a meaningful judgement of the quality of his journalistic skills (and I'll acknowledge he's a highly polarising character; you'll be surprised to hear I like the guy!).

No, I am not surprised.

I reserve the right to express my opinion as every else does, including you.

Campbell is a news-reader, designed to get ratings. He is not what I would call an (investigative) journalist (any-more). People do the investigation and then brief him on the stuff. He has no balance to his story, he ALWAYS takes the side of the "poor down-trodden" individual, ignores the other side of the story to make himself seem like a modern day crusader. I have no time for that whatsoever. He recently interviewed a guy in Wellington about leasing his commercial property to individuals, and from the first question it was very clear what his angle was going to be come hell or high water. It wasn't until about 6 questions in the guy scolds him and JC then starts acting like he isn't entirely one-sided. I am not stating who is right or wrong, just addressing how the questions should be asked.

Ultimately, the questions should be asked, in a fair and balanced way and let the consumer decide which side they are on.

Don't even get me STARTED on Hillary "I'm so self-righteous I should be canonised" Barry. At least her "news reading" isn't quite so overly dramatic. She utterly WRECKED MoreFM's morning show.

Mike McRoberts is a proper investigative journalist, not without his faults. Certainly, the best I have seen (though to be fair I don't watch much TV these days).

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#1680517 1-Dec-2016 09:19

shk292:

jonathan18:

And RNZ continues to do an amazing job (especially given their budget) with attracting quality journalists. How great it's been having Kim Hill back on Morning Report - that interview with Anne Tolley yesterday was classic!

Seriously? I found her so rude and interrupting that I switched from RNZ to music on USB for the rest of my commute. And again today when she started with the judge. She just seems to be on a personal mission to prove people wrong by forensically dissecting their words an putting her own spin on them. How RNZ thinks it's good radio to devote 20+ minutes of peak time radio to this non story is beyond me

Yeah, I agree with this, she was rude. It seems there is a need in these interviewers to "squash" the interviewee, really "take it to them". Surely it's possible to get a compelling story, ask the hard questions and still show respect for the person you are interviewing?

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#1680553 1-Dec-2016 09:50

networkn:

shk292:

jonathan18:

And RNZ continues to do an amazing job (especially given their budget) with attracting quality journalists. How great it's been having Kim Hill back on Morning Report - that interview with Anne Tolley yesterday was classic!

Seriously? I found her so rude and interrupting that I switched from RNZ to music on USB for the rest of my commute. And again today when she started with the judge. She just seems to be on a personal mission to prove people wrong by forensically dissecting their words an putting her own spin on them. How RNZ thinks it's good radio to devote 20+ minutes of peak time radio to this non story is beyond me

Yeah, I agree with this, she was rude. It seems there is a need in these interviewers to "squash" the interviewee, really "take it to them". Surely it's possible to get a compelling story, ask the hard questions and still show respect for the person you are interviewing?

Wow. I just listened to the interview with the judge and came to a completely different conclusion. True that Hill interrupted a couple of times, mainly rephrasing her own questions. IMO Hill did - as she usually does - a fairly thorough job on a delicate matter, where a Minister had fired a shot across the bow of the judge after the Minister appeared to been creative in interpreting a report that appears to have been otherwise ignored by government.

The judge did most of the talking - uninterrupted. I guess you guys are too used to watching pseudo-interviews these days where politicians etc agree to set questions declared in advance, carefully prepare answers.

What I didn't hear was the opinionated populist crap I'm used to hearing from NZ's celebrity media stars, which on that subject matter would have no doubt attacked victims for being "snowflakes" or "opportunists after a payout".

There are some serious issues (ie 2/3 men who'd grown up in state care) end up with criminal convictions with prison sentences, yet the Minister has grabbed hold of a figure from somewhere suggesting that only 3.5% of children in care suffer(ed) "abuse" - whatever that means. The judge reiterated that she had no idea how the Minister came up with the 3.5% figure.

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#1680558 1-Dec-2016 09:54

jonathan18:

I can understand how you may have found her rude , but the suggestion this a "non story" is, to use your words, beyond me...

I should have been more specific. The whole abuse thing is obviously newsworthy and important. But the interviews I heard seemed to be purely devoted to picking fault with how the Minister chose to deal with a recommendation made by the ex judge, ie whether to set up an independent inquiry. There seemed to be twenty minutes worth of picking apart the words used and trying to prove the Minister to be foolish/dishonest/uncaring, all in a rude, interruptive manner. That to me is not news, it is an attempt to score political points against the government

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#1680561 1-Dec-2016 09:56

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Hillary Barry, and Rachel Smalley, well that killed any credible chance. They fit in the same mould as John "make an mountain out of a molehill every single story as if it's a matter of life and death and drama galore, with my well over exaggerated dramatic intones" Campbell.

If you consider those are amongst the best we have, we are DOOMED.

An apt description of the ghastly Campbell.

I had the misfortune to hear him last night (on the radio not the TV) still banging on about Pike River in the mistaken belief that the cause he champions has any more legs on it than a fish.

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#1680564 1-Dec-2016 09:59

networkn:

shk292:

jonathan18:

And RNZ continues to do an amazing job (especially given their budget) with attracting quality journalists. How great it's been having Kim Hill back on Morning Report - that interview with Anne Tolley yesterday was classic!

Seriously? I found her so rude and interrupting that I switched from RNZ to music on USB for the rest of my commute. And again today when she started with the judge. She just seems to be on a personal mission to prove people wrong by forensically dissecting their words an putting her own spin on them. How RNZ thinks it's good radio to devote 20+ minutes of peak time radio to this non story is beyond me

Yeah, I agree with this, she was rude. It seems there is a need in these interviewers to "squash" the interviewee, really "take it to them". Surely it's possible to get a compelling story, ask the hard questions and still show respect for the person you are interviewing?

Perhaps it's an RNZ thing? I try and avoid Kathryn Ryan but if I do hear her interviewing, she talks over the top of the replies and repeats the same question over and over as if doing so will elicit a different, more suitable for her, answer.

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#1680565 1-Dec-2016 09:59

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You are kidding, right?.........

Not at all. Networkn challenged me to name some names so he could dis on whoever I chose so I named some. These are all competent journalists and there are plenty more in this country. The problem isn't a lack of capable professionals, but a lack of opportunities for them to exercise their abilities. Jobs in traditional media are shrinking and those that remain force good people into dumbed-down straightjackets where they are compelled to act like imbeciles. There are plenty of serious journalists who would love to be able to do serious journalism but the opportunities are not there and they still have to eat. Our media are in a dire state and the implosion of Mediaworks is only one symptom of that.

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#1680568 1-Dec-2016 10:01

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There are some serious issues (ie 2/3 men who'd grown up in state care) end up with criminal convictions with prison sentences, yet the Minister has grabbed hold of a figure from somewhere suggesting that only 3.5% of children in care suffer(ed) "abuse" - whatever that means. The judge reiterated that she had no idea how the Minister came up with the 3.5% figure.

The Minister explained the 3.5% thing yesterday so it's strange that neither the judge nor the presenter garsped this, although this may be reflective of how much listening the presenter does.

It's simply the number of abuse complaints received, divided by the number of children in care over the period in question. You could debate that only x% of people who were abused laid a complaint, but arguing that you have no idea where this number comes from, or that the majority of people in care were abused (which was stated yesterday), is disingenuous.

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#1680569 1-Dec-2016 10:02

Geektastic:

networkn:

Hillary Barry, and Rachel Smalley, well that killed any credible chance. They fit in the same mould as John "make an mountain out of a molehill every single story as if it's a matter of life and death and drama galore, with my well over exaggerated dramatic intones" Campbell.

If you consider those are amongst the best we have, we are DOOMED.

An apt description of the ghastly Campbell.

I had the misfortune to hear him last night (on the radio not the TV) still banging on about Pike River in the mistaken belief that the cause he champions has any more legs on it than a fish.

I really feel for those families. It's a ghastly situation, truly awful. Having said that, if there is even a small chance of endangering people in the retrieval of those bodies, it should be discounted as a possibility. Regardless of how many "experts" or "volunteers" say otherwise or offer to risk their necks.

I'd truly hate to be in that situation, I feel some terrible mistakes have been made, however, I'd like to think (and feel pretty confident) my logic would override my heart in choosing to let my loved ones remains stay where they were to save potentially causing the same heartache to another family.

If they were still down there, alive for example, utterly different story.

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#1680570 1-Dec-2016 10:06

I started my working life in News Media, what we have now Hollywood's version of reality in print, and electronic media. I have turned down numerous offers to return, it would be just too embarrassing.

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