Norway to increase speed limit to 110 possibly 130km/h

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#947525 8-Dec-2013 16:25

Anyone know the tolerance of the radar units?

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#947532 8-Dec-2013 16:39

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KiwiNZ: A bad idea for NZ given our poor road maintainence, ageing automobile fleet, bad driver training and immature driver attitudes.

If the limit was increased to say 130kmh drivers will have tantrums because they feel they should be allowed to drive at 140kmh.

I believe that in a lot of situations the speed limits should be reduced, eg in cities to 30kmh and on many open roads 80kmh eg Rimutaka Hill road north of Wellington.

You can't drive at 80kmph around the Rimutaka Hill road....

Surely you jest... Rimutaka Hill road is a doddle at 80kph, could easily be a 100kph road again for 90% of its length, only the short twisty section on the wairarapa side merits any sort of of reduction and even then 80kph is a more than sufficiently slow speed to navigate that section safely.

I weep for the standard of driving in NZ if people feel that road should be sub 80kph

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#947575 8-Dec-2013 17:59

coffeebaron: Anyone know the tolerance of the radar units?

Apparently not enough, I just got my first speeding fine in 9 years in the mail today :( .

Camera was hidden on the side of a passing lane, only saw the van when I was practically alongside it.

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#947606 8-Dec-2013 19:13

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Aredwood: The govt needs to introduce compulsory practical testing for licence renewal. Only it will never happen because so many would fail that any govt that tries would lose lots of votes. It is silly that under the current system you can easily get your full licence by 18 (or so). And then you won't have to do another practical test until you are at least 60.

I disagree.
The cause of serious accidents is seldom from ignorance of road laws, but flagrant disregard for the laws that everybody knows. Excessive speed, failing to give way, reckless overtaking etc.
You could train and test people once a week if you like to know what an orange traffic light means, but I expect 99.9% of people know exactly what it means anyway.

Spend a day driving in Auckland and there are lots of people who fail to indicate or don't know how to do so properly. (Indicating right when going straight ahead at roundabouts being a common one.) Either way what is currently being done is not working. And since drivers licences are valid for 10 years, it would only mean a practical test ounce every 10 years. Instead of the ounce every 40+ years as it is now.

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#947616 8-Dec-2013 19:46

coffeebaron: Anyone know the tolerance of the radar units?

The cops announced that all fixed and mobile units have been adjusted to reflect the new 4kph tolerance.

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#947663 8-Dec-2013 21:29

jpoc:
coffeebaron: Anyone know the tolerance of the radar units?

The cops announced that all fixed and mobile units have been adjusted to reflect the new 4kph tolerance.

I think you're answering the question "What is the Police Tolerance for speed above the posted limit?"

What I think coffeebaron was querying was if the Police radar units have an allowance for error margins in their speed determinations.
Certainly they allowed for this in the early units with less reliable electronics, but I'd guess that with the ability we have now to reliably, repeatedly, and accurately, determine small time measurements then the tolerences are rather small. And I'd guess the current units still require calibration certificates.

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#947680 8-Dec-2013 22:06

When we stop obsessing about speed limits and start focusing on driver courtesy, we might get ahead in Road safety. The Highway patrols should all be in unmarked cars and target discourteous behaviour, like holding up lines of traffic, tailgating, etc. Speed never killed anyone, it's the sudden stop that's the problem.

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#947695 8-Dec-2013 22:50

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jpoc:
coffeebaron: Anyone know the tolerance of the radar units?

The cops announced that all fixed and mobile units have been adjusted to reflect the new 4kph tolerance.

I think you're answering the question "What is the Police Tolerance for speed above the posted limit?"

What I think coffeebaron was querying was if the Police radar units have an allowance for error margins in their speed determinations.
Certainly they allowed for this in the early units with less reliable electronics, but I'd guess that with the ability we have now to reliably, repeatedly, and accurately, determine small time measurements then the tolerences are rather small. And I'd guess the current units still require calibration certificates.

Yea I meant the margin of error of the radar unit.

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#947720 9-Dec-2013 00:47

1eStar: When we stop obsessing about speed limits and start focusing on driver courtesy, we might get ahead in Road safety. The Highway patrols should all be in unmarked cars and target discourteous behaviour, like holding up lines of traffic, tailgating, etc. Speed never killed anyone, it's the sudden stop that's the problem.

Couldn't agree with you more! Except I hardly see highway patrols these days, if you do see a cop they out with their speed guns at the bottom of a hill in the breaking zone.

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#947726 9-Dec-2013 06:39

1eStar: When we stop obsessing about speed limits and start focusing on driver courtesy, we might get ahead in Road safety. The Highway patrols should all be in unmarked cars and target discourteous behaviour, like holding up lines of traffic, tailgating, etc. Speed never killed anyone, it's the sudden stop that's the problem.

Speed is very much a factor in many accidents and a determining influence as to the severity of the accident. The statement "bigger the speed the bigger the mess" is true. The higher the speed the less reaction time there is and greater time an distance needed to stop and the vehicles safety equipment becomes less affective as speed is higher.

To say "speed never killed anyone...." Whilst in a pedantic sense is correct it is a asinine statement by those generally trying to justify their own bad driving habits.

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#947728 9-Dec-2013 06:49

KiwiNZ: Best device on a car to stop speeding is the cruise control

Doesn't work going downhill and keep you at the speed limit though.

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#947729 9-Dec-2013 06:55

clevedon:
KiwiNZ: Best device on a car to stop speeding is the cruise control

Doesn't work going downhill and keep you at the speed limit though.

It does when descent control is installed and used correctly. If the vehicle does not have descent control then it has to be driver controlled to maintain safe and or legal speed.

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#947739 9-Dec-2013 07:02

KiwiNZ:
clevedon:
KiwiNZ: Best device on a car to stop speeding is the cruise control

Doesn't work going downhill and keep you at the speed limit though.

It does when descent control is installed and used correctly. If the vehicle does not have descent control then it has to be driver controlled to maintain safe and or legal speed.

Descent control is not designed for open road driving, it's for mainly slippery or rough downhill terrain offroading.

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#947741 9-Dec-2013 07:09

clevedon:
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clevedon:
KiwiNZ: Best device on a car to stop speeding is the cruise control

Doesn't work going downhill and keep you at the speed limit though.

It does when descent control is installed and used correctly. If the vehicle does not have descent control then it has to be driver controlled to maintain safe and or legal speed.

Descent control is not designed for open road driving, it's for mainly slippery or rough downhill terrain offroading.

Incorrect, it is appearing on most modern cars, it is brilliant at assisting with hill descent.

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#947744 9-Dec-2013 07:23

KiwiNZ:
clevedon:
KiwiNZ:
clevedon:
KiwiNZ: Best device on a car to stop speeding is the cruise control

Doesn't work going downhill and keep you at the speed limit though.

It does when descent control is installed and used correctly. If the vehicle does not have descent control then it has to be driver controlled to maintain safe and or legal speed.

Descent control is not designed for open road driving, it's for mainly slippery or rough downhill terrain offroading.

Incorrect, it is appearing on most modern cars, it is brilliant at assisting with hill descent.

On just about any vehicle hill descent control will not work above about 35km/h - not very handy on the open road. And I haven't seen HDC on any two wheel drive vehicles.

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