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#2359696 23-Nov-2019 11:41

quickymart:
I have a question (which may sound dumb but I've never been involved in a court case) but now the a-hole has been found guilty, why does his name suppression continue? I thought the minute you were found guilty it was lifted? Or does that happen at his sentencing next year - or never?

there may be another court case against him?

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#2359702 23-Nov-2019 12:04

MadEngineer:
quickymart:
I have a question (which may sound dumb but I've never been involved in a court case) but now the a-hole has been found guilty, why does his name suppression continue? I thought the minute you were found guilty it was lifted? Or does that happen at his sentencing next year - or never?
there may be another court case against him?

He will likely appeal the decision, or at least he has a period in which he can appeal. Name suppression will continue to ensure he is not prejudiced on any possible appeal decision.

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#2359714 23-Nov-2019 12:32

It didn't take long to find overseas websites that disclose his name - and when I saw it I remembered that his name was available publicly right at the outset, before the suppression came into effect.

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#2359722 23-Nov-2019 13:19

gulfa: Our suppression orders seem to very unusual We have the case of the Doctor on another murder charged being named yet the person involved in this case being given suppression. The poor girl in this case has had many details of her life laid for all to see and she was the victim. Very strange situation I now read that the scumbag has been named in overseas media. Perhaps we need to look at the law around suppression??

Overall they are unusual I believe. Don't forget they are used for many reasons that you probably didn't object to at all. In this particular case it's hard to form any opinion until the suppression is lifted and the suppression on the reasons for the suppression are lifted.

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#2359723 23-Nov-2019 13:25

If you are looking for stuff overseas it seems that many of the articles you will find linked to are 404'ing but thats only without a VPN.

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#2359766 23-Nov-2019 15:08

>f you are looking for stuff overseas it seems that many of the articles you will find linked to are 404'ing but thats only without a VPN.<

Simply looking at the cache link will (and still is) brining up the Brit media pages.

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#2359784 23-Nov-2019 16:52

Cheers for the explanations, but I still don't get why this jerk thinks he's so special that he needs continued name suppression? What I've read about him he was a prolific liar, and didn't appear to be doing anything (work-wise), other than that he's probably some nobody - so why the suppression?

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#2359803 23-Nov-2019 18:22

Rickles:

>f you are looking for stuff overseas it seems that many of the articles you will find linked to are 404'ing but thats only without a VPN.<

Simply looking at the cache link will (and still is) brining up the Brit media pages.

In some cases google search displays the name, but you're not allowed to access the article (presumably because I'm using an NZ based ip).

Sorry, we can't find the page you are looking for.

Some media reports (which are not blocked and don't show his name) are saying that his name will remain suppressed until 2021. Not sure if we should speculate why, but that seems like quite a long time to me.

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#2359808 23-Nov-2019 18:51

I don't care at all about the loser who has now been found guilty after a fair and thorough legal process. I do wonder about New Zealand name suppression, though. This comes up every time there is a high profile trial. I used to make a game of discovering the names of suppressed celebrities until I got bored with it because it was so easy. In this case I haven't got the least interest in the name of this murderer, though I know what it is. Who doesn't? I never heard of him.

The point is, I think our judges need a quick course in how to find information on the Internet, because they seem for the most part to be completely unaware of how easy it is to uncover 'suppressed' information, and this makes our justice system look very foolish. What is the point of any suppression order when anyone with a computer can crack it in five minutes? They either need to find a better and more effective way of doing it, or they need to change the system. Clinging to the 19th century in the Internet age is just stupid.

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#2359811 23-Nov-2019 19:00

Rikkitic:

I don't care at all about the loser who has now been found guilty after a fair and thorough legal process. I do wonder about New Zealand name suppression, though. This comes up every time there is a high profile trial. I used to make a game of discovering the names of suppressed celebrities until I got bored with it because it was so easy. In this case I haven't got the least interest in the name of this murderer, though I know what it is. Who doesn't? I never heard of him.

The point is, I think our judges need a quick course in how to find information on the Internet, because they seem for the most part to be completely unaware of how easy it is to uncover 'suppressed' information, and this makes our justice system look very foolish. What is the point of any suppression order when anyone with a computer can crack it in five minutes? They either need to find a better and more effective way of doing it, or they need to change the system. Clinging to the 19th century in the Internet age is just stupid.

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#2359868 23-Nov-2019 22:42

MadEngineer:
quickymart:

I have a question (which may sound dumb but I've never been involved in a court case) but now the a-hole has been found guilty, why does his name suppression continue? I thought the minute you were found guilty it was lifted? Or does that happen at his sentencing next year - or never?

there may be another court case against him?

This seems the most likely reason.

OTOH does it matter if he gets done for his speeding ticket (or what ever it is) now?

He would have to be up for something significant.

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#2359869 23-Nov-2019 22:50

Rikkitic:

I don't care at all about the loser who has now been found guilty after a fair and thorough legal process.

While I don't care about him, I wonder what would happen *if* he was already changed with another crime that might be unrelated to the Grace Millane murder. Would his lawyer be able to argue that he could no longer get a fair trial on those charges, since his name was already widely known?

But at some point our legal system might have to get ready for a post name suppression era, where there are no real secrets when it comes to the identities of people charged in high profile cases.

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#2359876 24-Nov-2019 00:02

It is fairly certain that he is facing other crimes of a sexual nature. And disturbingly, he may have been on bail for these other charges when he murdered Grace Millane.

Name suppression continues until he has faced those other charges.

His name is in the public domain anyway.

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#2359942 24-Nov-2019 08:23

Way too much speculation. Remember the first application was denied.

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#2359949 24-Nov-2019 08:37

surfisup1000:

It is fairly certain that he is facing other crimes of a sexual nature. And disturbingly, he may have been on bail for these other charges when he murdered Grace Millane.

Name suppression continues until he has faced those other charges.

His name is in the public domain anyway.

Why do you say it’s ‘fairly certain’? Just because that’s a possible reason for continuing suppression or do you know something more specific?

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