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#10548 28-Nov-2006 10:30
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Below is just a little tale that I had with fighting your Go Large broadband service or should I say people at telecom who enjoy wasting other people’s time!

I switched to this plan on the 9 Nov from another ISP. From day One I was having connection issues, but it wasn't till a couple of days later that I realised how awful it was. It was disconnecting at a staggering rate of every 2-3 minutes!

I started calling your techs from 11th. My case (12856969 has most notes), would probably score right on the top of your most discussed list, or I call the most time wasted list! Literately, I spent hours repetitively removing all phone/fax devices and doing all sorts of funny tests on the internet when I clearly indicated that irrespectively of which one of the two modems I used, what I did on the internet or whether there was even a computer connected to the adsl modem, it still disconnects at the rate of 3-5 minutes on average. The case was forwarded to the advanced broadband team for at least 4 times that I know of. Each time, I had to wait and wait, and no one was calling me back when they kept saying they were going to. You must have been hiring all the liars in New Zealand. I now just hope you aren’t all are at telecom.

It started to really annoy me was after the investigation done by an actual technician who was supposed to come to visit my house. I still couldn’t believe the technician only sent out on the 23 Nov, after all the time-wasting I had been through with your not helpful helpdesk people and the advanced broadband team. What I could not believe even more was that none of your people even merely thought of there is a network problem so that they didn’t have to waste all my time of after I had asked them whether my disconnection issue was related to your network problem that I heard of! But afterwards I thought maybe these people were just trying to waste my time so they can seem to be busy and keep their jobs, as from Thursday you were asking for another two days to investigate the “newly found” network problem. Well, if that was the case, I cannot believe that after your technician had visited the local exchange and reported back to your people, none of your people ever called me to let ME know, so I didn’t have to sit still at home rather than be productive at home. I just cannot believe when they had all that time to waste they still couldn’t be bothered to give me a call so I can go to work! Or should I even start to question their motive to ask me to stay at home in the first place?

As you can probably image that I wasn’t a happy customer by that stage, I thought maybe, just maybe it might be different at 123 helpdesk, so I tried, after several attempts, and all the usual time-wasting waiting on the line, I finally got through to someone, but I couldn’t believe that I was transferred back to the broadband general helpdesk when I made it EXTREMELY clear that it was a complaint against them, but being a nice person the way I was, I actually talked to that person, because she sounded kind over the phone. She promised someone would call me back by Saturday. They just needed to ‘borrow’ some time to investigate. ‘Borrow’ was the word she literately used. I just hope I get it BACK because I really lent my hours to you! And she promised loads of credits that I would probably never need to pay for the services again, which is still unclear at this stage to me whether it is actually happening.

Well what is EXCEPTIONALLY clear to me is (you may have already guessed), my time was wasted telling her my little tale fighting with the slow dragon – no body had phone me back by Saturday. Now it is Tuesday, three days later, I’m still constantly getting disconnected. To give you an idea, after restarted my brand new Netgear modem (the only reason I like about this modem is that it actually tells me how long I have been connected for, unlike the D-Link DSL-502T that you sent me!) at about 10:30 pm last night, the log recorded over 23 times of disconnections by 6:30 am, in only 8 hours, and almost 8 hours of off peak time!

I think I’ve given up the fight. Now, I don’t even know what to ask when I phoned up again this morning. Your people had completely lost my trust. Maybe I’ll ask thousands of NZ internet users what I should be doing, cause I know they are more reachable than your guys are through forum or email forwardings. So just enjoy my little tale about time wasted fighting the slow dragon.


[Moderator (MF): added quote tags, since this is a quote from an email to Xtra]


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#53945 28-Nov-2006 10:42
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YAWN could you not add this to another thread



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#53947 28-Nov-2006 10:46
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There are problems everywhere, but if you are not happy with this specific ISP, just let them know by closing your account and joining other services.





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  #53950 28-Nov-2006 10:49
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Anybody would think Xtra was the only ISP in New Zealand

Letter states switched from another ISP I would just switch back to the old ISP the end user was happy with!



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#53955 28-Nov-2006 11:05
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If you think you are a geek and know everything, why don't you just mind your own business and let other people have a second thought before even considering Telecom.

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  #53957 28-Nov-2006 11:10
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nhe911: If you think you are a geek and know everything, why don't you just mind your own business and let other people have a second thought before even considering Telecom.


I would use common sense first

I would not change if there are no issues and everything is working fine.

If I switch to a new service provider and the change is not smooth I would say SEE YA

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  #53959 28-Nov-2006 11:12
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johnr: ...Letter states switched from another ISP I would just switch back to the old ISP the end user was happy with!

Exactly.

I think it's pretty obvious by now that a lot of people switched to Go Large with the expectation of a free lunch.  Some would say that Telecom's advertising did nothing to dampen down the expectations of a free lunch, however, you get what you pay for with broadband as with most other things.

For those prepared to pay around $20 per month extra, the "Unleashed" debacle has brought some benefit, namely the ability to have full-speed upload which was withdrawn earlier in the year with the demise of the original "Full Speed Jetstream" plans.  To my mind, this is the only benefit to come out of "Unleashed".  The hoped-for increase in download speed (from 3.5Mbps to "Max") is largely illusory depending on the time of day, exchange loading, and a whole host of factors which have been covered in nauseating detail on other threads.

Instead of wasting time complaining to an ISP who provides a plan they aren't happy with, people should just change to another plan, or if that doesn't work, vote with their feet and move somewhere else according to the feedback from users of ISPs that have a track record of meeting customers' expectations.  There are plenty of options out there...

Now if only that were true of the "Last Mile" connection to our homes and businesses (but NO, I won't go there!!!) Tongue out.

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#53960 28-Nov-2006 11:24
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nhe911: If you think you are a geek and know everything, why don't you just mind your own business and let other people have a second thought before even considering Telecom.


I must say you have me confused, you come here to share an experience you've had with your ISP. Yet instead of listening to others feedback you can about attacking them? If only there were more people like this around here... Yell

 
 
 

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#53963 28-Nov-2006 11:44
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JAMMAN2110: I must say you have me confused, you come here to share an experience you've had with your ISP. Yet instead of listening to others feedback you can about attacking them? If only there were more people like this around here... Yell


I have no intention of attacking anyone, and agreed to no attacking. All I'm saying is that this post is not for geeks who's got nothing better to do but showing off how smart they are. It's for people to have a second thought about how awful telecom has been, not listening, not sticking to their own words.....

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  #53981 28-Nov-2006 13:42
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nhe911: I have no intention of attacking anyone, and agreed to no attacking. All I'm saying is that this post is not for geeks who's got nothing better to do but showing off how smart they are. It's for people to have a second thought about how awful telecom has been, not listening, not sticking to their own words.....

Nobody is showing off how smart they. What John said was pure common sense. Maybe before posting this you should have taken a look at all the numerous thread about Go Large.

The arguments are tired and I think that all the sensible people round here have come to the consensus that Telecom didn't mislead anyone, just certain people failed to read and understand the conditions attached to the Go Large plan.

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#53986 28-Nov-2006 14:11
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Would you point out where abouts in the terms and conditions it says, disconnection rate 20 times/hr, and where did it say, if there is a network problem all you should do is forever waiting? Nowhere in my topic I was referring to false advertising, slow connection speed and p2p issues like others did. All I wanted is a broadband connection that works and not to waste all my time and still asking me to wait around! If you really think you know there t&c back to front, you might wanna explain how they are not breeching the Consumer Guarantee Act 1993 when their connection is still dropping like mad?

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  #53987 28-Nov-2006 14:14
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How do you not know its a problem with your router or the lines in your house?

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  #53988 28-Nov-2006 14:16
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bradstewart: How do you not know its a problem with your router or the lines in your house?


Simply because I have two new modems. Both drops. Plus I have had a tech came out to check. Only checked the exchange, didn't even bother to check the house wiring. Plus, in the last conversation Telecom is still saying my end has all checked out. There is a network problem.

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  #53989 28-Nov-2006 14:21
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Hmm, didn't actually mean router as well, since you have already tried that. It sounds like it is a line issue. I had this problem a couple of years back. Technician came out and tested the lines etc and it turned out the the lines from the demarcation point needed replacing.

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#53990 28-Nov-2006 14:22
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If the checks were done at the Exchange level then your internal house wiring haven't been checked - and unless you pay Telecom their monthly service then you will have to arrange someone to come around and check that your wiring is fine. Could be an alarm, crossed wires, old wires, anything.

You can't discard anything - there's no sure way to determine a fault like this.

Have you tested with another PC? I remeber someone here having similar problems and finding out it was Zone Alarm causing it.





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