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V8Matty

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#139435 9-Feb-2014 12:15

Hi folks,
I found that it was quite difficult tracking down the basic details about what UFB set ups require in NZ (for beginners)
Because of the trouble I had I wrote an article on HashtagME.co.nz called "UFB for Kiwis" which may or may not help get your head around the basic requirements.

Good Luck :)

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#982672 9-Feb-2014 12:48

With all respect V8Matty, there is plenty of information and advice already on Geekzone for anyone considering having UFB installed in their home, and wanting to know more about the process.

As far back as 18 months ago I posted my own residential fiber install experience here on Geekzone with multiple photo's of the equipment used and considerations for placement of the various components: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?topicid=106897

I've read your article and I am not sure the first time home fiber user is at all interested in VLAN tagging and so forth. All they want is fast internet and the free wireless router that the ISP provides, supports with a warranty and configures during the installation at their home.

I think your article might confuse first time users of UFB about what they need do to get UFB in their home, when all they really need do, is leave it up to the installers.

V8Matty

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#982691 9-Feb-2014 13:10

I don't really see how it would confuse anyone that wants more info?
When trying to get information about using my existing modem/router I struggled to find details on what it needed to be able to do to work with UFB in NZ.

Vlan tagging was a major point of confusion as even the D-Link tech support didn't seem to know how to configure it on what was supposed to be a UFB ready modem/router.
Quite simply if I had trouble finding info I felt it fair to assume others would also struggle.

Not everyone is in a position to commit to a long contract with their supplier, or to shell out for the recommended hardware.
I concede the cheap option is not the easiest.

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#982725 9-Feb-2014 14:10

It's not a basics post at all as has already been said. If a person wants a different router than what their isp provides then they are already part of the 1%.

Also not all isps use pppoe. Some do use IPoE otherwise know as a normal dhcp request on vlan10 to get them going.
If you are going to talk about vlan 10 you should also include information about 802.1p tagging.

Also worth noting not all lfcs are Chorus.

And that the RGW will normally be supplied no matter if you want it or not so then the only option is if you want to buy your own or use the isp supplied one.

Thr contracts are for the most part dictated by the lfcs. Otherwise etc's apply.

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#982737 9-Feb-2014 14:31

Feeling overwhelmed by the supportive nature of members on geekzone.
Glad you enjoyed my helpful post.

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#982740 9-Feb-2014 14:40

Just FYI there is no requirement for VLAN10 tagging, it's merely the default setting as without 802.1q it's impossible to use 802.1p tagging for the CIR.

If you want to use an existing router that can't support VLAN10 tagging them simply request your RSP request an untagged UNNI port. This is going to have no impact on day to day for 99% of people as the only real use for the CIR is VoIP traffic, and if you're not using your RSP's supplied hardware you probably don't care about this.

V8Matty

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#982747 9-Feb-2014 14:57

Easy enough to suggest requesting "untagged UNNI port" but was told while technically possible they would not do it.
The experience I had in trying to get information was painful. Both from ISP and router manufacturer.
In the end I put together what I was told by the "experts" and shared it in the hope that others in my position may have a better understanding and overall experience.
I am not an expert. I do appreciate the constructive comments.

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#982750 9-Feb-2014 15:02

Untagged UNNI is something any RSP can do - we've got customers on this and it's super simple. During the initial job request with Chorus you have to specify a tagged or untagged port so it doesn't even take any extra time. If you want this changed after the install a job has to be lodged to change this. As pointed out though you will have no access to the high priority CIR without any 802.1q tagging.

With other LFC's it's also very simple, we've got connection with North Power and UFF that are untagged so the same hardware could be kept in place.

At the end of the day however people should be sticking with RSP supplied hardware - it means they will be able to be fully supported.

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#982752 9-Feb-2014 15:04

sbiddle: Just FYI there is no requirement for VLAN10 tagging, it's merely the default setting

Some ISP's require VLAN10 tagging to actually work fullstop, not just to be able to use the CIR.

Will entirely depend on the RSP's setup.

The LFC default setting is No taggging, if the RSP choses to use tagging, the RSP can choose any VLAN tag it wants. VLAN10 was chosen as its the same as EUBA/VDSL to keep things simple.

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#982813 9-Feb-2014 16:54

sbiddle: Untagged UNNI is something any RSP can do - we've got customers on this and it's super simple.

But not all RSPs support it... and being able to request it may be outside their product offering. My employer being such a RSP.

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#982878 9-Feb-2014 19:25

Also very simple to drop a Mikrotik switch between ONT and router to handle the VLAN10 tag.

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#983134 10-Feb-2014 08:08

V8Matty: Feeling overwhelmed by the supportive nature of members on geekzone.
Glad you enjoyed my helpful post.

The natives are friendly, but they're also engineers who aren't always super tactful. Any tiny mistakes, omissions, errors, etc will have people concentrate on that instead of the rest of the post/information.

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#983135 10-Feb-2014 08:17

That is actually a very useful diagram to start off with, just so you can see where the ONT vs ETP is!

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#983138 10-Feb-2014 08:24

One point to make is the ONT doesn't need to be immediately behind the ETP. Mine is in the ceiling cavity, there's probably 15m of fiber or more between them.

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#983152 10-Feb-2014 08:46

timmmay: One point to make is the ONT doesn't need to be immediately behind the ETP. Mine is in the ceiling cavity, there's probably 15m of fiber or more between them.

There is both an ETP and ITP. The ITP will typically be where the ONT is located.

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#983158 10-Feb-2014 08:57

ITP = internal termination point? My ETP is screwed to the outside of my weatherboard house, fiber then runs through conduit up into the ceiling, down into a cupboard, then into the ONT. I haven't noticed an ITP but I haven't looked for one either.

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