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#665578 1-Aug-2012 17:21

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kiwis: Yes but xnet set their own prices.
Similar price on copper you get 40GB

As mentioned above, I suggest you read the several recent threads detailing exactly why this scenario exists and what is changing. These areas will ultimately become UFB areas once network upgrades are complete.

IMHO blaming WxC shows complete ignorance of the BOF issue - without them you wouldn't have internet at your new location.

This does not excuse the cost, once upon a time broadband was dear, now there is so much competition it's cheap as. the same applies to many items in the world - flat screen TV's is another example. Don't let the cooperates tell you the truth in what operating costs are.

I'll bet once others can offer this the price will drop. there is only one reason for it.

If you compare Xnets pricing for their fibre options (which they have an effective monopoly in, since no one else has decided to compete with them) with the pricing of their DSL options (which is a highly competitive market with dozens of competing firms), then you will see that they are very, very similar. Ignoring the underlying costs, this suggests that they are not abusing their market power.

XNet generally operate in a higher-quality, higher-service portion of the market, which their prices reflect.

You might like to note that the XNet price over fibre is lower than Telecom's equivalent total home package over DSL

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#668603 6-Aug-2012 21:37

kiwis: Yes but xnet set their own prices.
Similar price on copper you get 40GB

Similar price on copper you can get an unlimited naked plan.

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#669051 7-Aug-2012 14:48

Zeon:
kiwis: when will this change? it seems looking at the prices that xnet can charge what they like.

Don't blame Xnet for the situation, it's the other ISPs faults for not wanting to offer services there....

I thought it was a cozy deal between Xnet and Telecom for the initial trial, has this now been offered to other ISPs? can't see why it would need to be a new wholesale agreement though, since backhaul network should be the same.

Time to find a new industry!

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#669095 7-Aug-2012 15:41

bisr:
kiwis: Yes but xnet set their own prices.
Similar price on copper you get 40GB

Similar price on copper you can get an unlimited naked plan.

Which tend to be pretty crap, especially compared to Xnet.

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#669184 7-Aug-2012 18:01

kyhwana2:
bisr:
kiwis: Yes but xnet set their own prices.
Similar price on copper you get 40GB

Similar price on copper you can get an unlimited naked plan.

Which tend to be pretty crap, especially compared to Xnet.

I am not comparing it to fibre am I I am comparing it to what you get from a standard DSL connection. I don't know what throughput you get on your DSL line on Xnet because their pricing plans have always been deeply flawed. What do you get from them on Xnet? Because I get 30mbit/sec download. On Compass. There is no speed difference for me on Compass than there has been on Telecom or TelstraClear at the same address. And in fact the service (connection) has been significantly more stable on using the same modem and the support from Compass staff has been better.

So, in other words, backup your perspective - because in my experience it is wrong. Yes, telecom's version of unlimited was bad. That does not mean 'unlimited' traffic plans have to be a bad service.

Because at first glance your quip sounds like an excuse or rationalisation for getting robbed.

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#669185 7-Aug-2012 18:03

Given that you can't even get residential Fibre in Auckland CBD and it won't be there for two years, I feel pretty safe in saying that Fibre is not a reality for residential customers in New Zealand yet.

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#669200 7-Aug-2012 18:27

bisr: Given that you can't even get residential Fibre in Auckland CBD and it won't be there for two years, I feel pretty safe in saying that Fibre is not a reality for residential customers in New Zealand yet.

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#669201 7-Aug-2012 18:33

nickb800:
bisr: Given that you can't even get residential Fibre in Auckland CBD and it won't be there for two years, I feel pretty safe in saying that Fibre is not a reality for residential customers in New Zealand yet.

must....resist.....the....bait

Sorry it's not baiting, it's just that I can't get it and neither can my clients. That equals it is not a reality. Just because it's in Ponsonby and Grey Lynn where it has been tested since 2010 does not mean that it is exists as an option for the remaining 90%+ of Aucklanders. And if it isn't a reality for the drastically most populous place in the country... therefore...

The fact that the OP is in the anomalous situation of having fibre as the only option does not adjust my observation.

That said, this isn't really the place for it and if I say anymore I will be derailing I think.... It was just an offhand comment I was making about us talking about fibre. That happens to be a reasonable one.

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#669239 7-Aug-2012 19:49

bisr: Given that you can't even get residential Fibre in Auckland CBD and it won't be there for two years, I feel pretty safe in saying that Fibre is not a reality for residential customers in New Zealand yet.

And won't be a reality for the vast majority of residential premises in NZ until 2016 at the earliest.

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#669258 7-Aug-2012 20:23

bisr:
kyhwana2:
bisr:
kiwis: Yes but xnet set their own prices.
Similar price on copper you get 40GB

Similar price on copper you can get an unlimited naked plan.

Which tend to be pretty crap, especially compared to Xnet.

I am not comparing it to fibre am I I am comparing it to what you get from a standard DSL connection. I don't know what throughput you get on your DSL line on Xnet because their pricing plans have always been deeply flawed. What do you get from them on Xnet? Because I get 30mbit/sec download. On Compass. There is no speed difference for me on Compass than there has been on Telecom or TelstraClear at the same address. And in fact the service (connection) has been significantly more stable on using the same modem and the support from Compass staff has been better.

So, in other words, backup your perspective - because in my experience it is wrong. Yes, telecom's version of unlimited was bad. That does not mean 'unlimited' traffic plans have to be a bad service.

Because at first glance your quip sounds like an excuse or rationalisation for getting robbed.

I'm talking about ADSL2. (You can't get 30mbit/s off ADSL1/2!)

There's no residential fibre that you can get unlimited on. (That has been announced properly! Lightwire in Hamilton is supposedly to be offering shaped but unmetered plans)

In the past (1+ years ago) XNet has been crap, especially during peak, but in at least the last year i've been able to pull line rate National (and international using multi-downloads) during peak.

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#669284 7-Aug-2012 20:56

I can peak at 30mbits (not bytes, I get 2.2 MegaBytes) per second on my ADSL 2 connection. Seen it with my own two eyes in dd-wrt. And I live near Orewa.

You are right, this is comparing apples and oranges. My statement was when someone said you can get a 40GB DSL plan for the same price to which my response was you can get an excellent unlimited DSL service for the same price.

But that said Orcon's 1TB per month High Speed Fibre plan for $199/mo. seems like a fantastic deal and if it was an option for me I would seriously consider it.

Their 200GB/mo. for $99/mo. is a great great plan for the kiwi market. If you had the option of fibre and didn't switch to that I think you are either old, mentally deficient, or just plain mental. Considering that includes a VoIP phone service as well when most of us use our mobiles most of the time it's just a very intelligently priced package for our market right now. I would love it to be half the price but as a way of entering the residential fibre market 200GB @ 300mbit/sec downstream and 100mbit/sec upstream.... sheeeeeeeeeeettttttttt. So useful if you work from home and especially creatively and with digital media. And when I think it goes back to $1 per 2GB thereafter... I mean it's just a licence to print money and grab lots of customers if you market that plan right and the technology was actually rolled out quickly. Orcon must be spewing that there are all those potential customers and they can't sell to them because Chorus' timetable is at 19th century pacing.

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#669294 7-Aug-2012 21:07

sbiddle:
bisr: Given that you can't even get residential Fibre in Auckland CBD and it won't be there for two years, I feel pretty safe in saying that Fibre is not a reality for residential customers in New Zealand yet.

And won't be a reality for the vast majority of residential premises in NZ until 2016 at the earliest.

That is insane. Our government (past and present) does not believe in developing infrastructure at all, do they?

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#669295 7-Aug-2012 21:08

bisr: I can peak at 30mbits (not bytes, I get 2.2 MegaBytes) per second on my ADSL 2 connection. Seen it with my own two eyes in dd-wrt. And I live near Orewa.

It's simply not possible.

ADSL2+ can offer a maximum theoretical downstream throughput of 24Mbps before all overheads are taken into effect. This means you're typically limited to around 20 - Mbps depending on noise margin on a perfect 24Mbps sync rate (virtually impossible in the real world unless you're connected to a DSLAM), or slightly less if Annex M is used.

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#669297 7-Aug-2012 21:09

bisr:
sbiddle:
bisr: Given that you can't even get residential Fibre in Auckland CBD and it won't be there for two years, I feel pretty safe in saying that Fibre is not a reality for residential customers in New Zealand yet.

And won't be a reality for the vast majority of residential premises in NZ until 2016 at the earliest.

That is insane. Our government (past and present) does not believe in developing infrastructure at all, do they?

What is insane about it?

UFB is a 10 year project. If you think it could be deployed overnight you've clearly got no concept of the amount of work required, and I would suggest visiting a suburb where fibre is being deployed to realise the amount of work required.

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#669319 7-Aug-2012 22:03

sbiddle:
bisr:
sbiddle:
bisr: Given that you can't even get residential Fibre in Auckland CBD and it won't be there for two years, I feel pretty safe in saying that Fibre is not a reality for residential customers in New Zealand yet.

And won't be a reality for the vast majority of residential premises in NZ until 2016 at the earliest.

That is insane. Our government (past and present) does not believe in developing infrastructure at all, do they?

What is insane about it?

UFB is a 10 year project. If you think it could be deployed overnight you've clearly got no concept of the amount of work required, and I would suggest visiting a suburb where fibre is being deployed to realise the amount of work required.

Sorry I should have elaborated. It's insane that the ten year plan was not started a decade ago.

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