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AmooMan

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#92649 27-Oct-2007 11:43

“This enhanced network is world-class and will support the provision of sophisticated offerings, including faster broadband up to 20 Mbps, and VoIP services.

WOW world-class....
Hold up .. isnt world-class 100mb/s and above now ?

Examples of townships that will benefit from the enhanced access network include Edgecumbe and Ngatea in the North Island, and Methven, Riverton, Pleasant Point and Waikouaiti in the South Island.

In the ODT paper it also said that they would get 2-3mb/s connections. Not the full 20mb/s

So.. my guess is they are just laying more copper.. sick
or not putting in a very large backhaul.

or will just limit everyone..

I guess going from 26.4kb/s modem connection to 2mb/s would seem fast.

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#92656 27-Oct-2007 12:37

WOW world-class....
Hold up .. isnt world-class 100mb/s and above now ?

I think World Class has to be qualified, if you are talking about FTTH (or FFTU=user) then 100Mb/s is World Class, but what Telecom have been proposing for sometime now (and I feared would get lost in the LLU fiasco/diversion) is FTTC/FTTN in which case they are still dependant on copper (carrying ADSL2+), however their aim is to get rid of 600 of their current 700odd exhanges and replace them with a fibre fed curbside cabinet within 1-1.5km of your place, assuming your current exchange has more than 500 pots lines currently connected.

Based on the above I do concider this to be World Class, especially to deploy it to the level they have indicated. Anyone who thinks that in the very open flat (ie not high rise) urban topology that we live in that Telecom could ever do FTTH/U is dreaming.

Its good to see that atleast the new management in Telecom see the importance of investing in this level of technology at the expense of short term returns.

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#92659 27-Oct-2007 13:12

I think World Class has to be qualified, if you are talking about FTTH (or FFTU=user) then 100Mb/s is World Class, but what Telecom have been proposing for sometime now (and I feared would get lost in the LLU fiasco/diversion) is FTTC/FTTN in which case they are still dependant on copper (carrying ADSL2+), however their aim is to get rid of 600 of their current 700odd exhanges and replace them with a fibre fed curbside cabinet within 1-1.5km of your place, assuming your current exchange has more than 500 pots lines currently connected.

Based on the above I do concider this to be World Class, especially to deploy it to the level they have indicated. Anyone who thinks that in the very open flat (ie not high rise) urban topology that we live in that Telecom could ever do FTTH/U is dreaming.

Its good to see that atleast the new management in Telecom see the importance of investing in this level of technology at the expense of short term returns.

Cyril

Cheers for that i didnt know there was FTT standards like that and have done some research.. very cool stuff.

Well.. I still dnt that happend.. I mean.. do it once to it right..
10years down the track.. when we want to stream 2-3 HD TV Channels into the house at once. 20mb/s is going to bit us.

Why nt do it right the first time.. Do it all fibre? Fibre to the node.

Sure I dont expect Telecom to pay for it all..
The NZ Goverment should be putting in funding also.

just my 2 cents :)

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#92660 27-Oct-2007 13:17

AmooMan: Why nt do it right the first time.. Do it all fibre? Fibre to the node.

Telecom are rolling out fibre to the node (FTTN) - I'm assuming you mean fibre to the home (FTTH)?

AmooMan

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#92664 27-Oct-2007 13:40

haha Yes you assume right :)
i should be more careful in what i write.
Yes FTTH to home would be ideal

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#92665 27-Oct-2007 13:42

Rolling out fibre to every home is expensive. Fine for those counties where everyone lives in appartment buildings and the cost of doing that last 1.5km to every home is not so hard (thinking of northern European countries and major Asian countries like Korea) but in our vastly laid out landscape I dont think you will find many investors and that $1.4B wont even take the top off the can.

In countries like Korea they have the very same PONs fibre that you are proposing to every home goinging to a high rise building delivering 2.4Gb/s, it then gets cat5 delivered to a few hundred appartments, that makes sense, but do you see that building scenario anywhere here..... doubt it.

That said I think it will be a very long time before the economics of streaming HD over the internet without FTTH make any sense. Thats why there is such a large investment in Broadcasting technologies, because they make sense both cost and effectivity.

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#92708 28-Oct-2007 05:37

cyril7:
Its good to see that atleast the new management in Telecom see the importance of investing in this level of technology at the expense of short term returns.

Cyril

I know its not fashionable to go against the trend - but the investment in the NGN has been going on since 2002/03 - which includes the old management team. Its also the old management team that had the foresight to invest in Southern Cross - which was prior to any DSL services in NZ, the govt digital strategy, and indeed - before the foremation of the Govts chief economic, telecommunications advisory agency - the Ministry of Economic Development! Actually - the decision re southern cross was prior to the current government getting into office.

How ever - they are also the same management that purchased AAPT - and what a bottomless pit that turned into!

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#92773 28-Oct-2007 18:27

There was word in eairly 1990 that China would covered by wireless network before telephone line ever covered the country.

It seems same thing happens in NZ, there will be 4gbps wireless network covered whole country before 100mbps FTTH covered major town.

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#92776 28-Oct-2007 18:39

cyril7:
In countries like Korea they have the very same PONs fibre that you are proposing to every home goinging to a high rise building delivering 2.4Gb/s, it then gets cat5 delivered to a few hundred appartments, that makes sense, but do you see that building scenario anywhere here..... doubt it.
Cyril

Not everyone live in Korea enjoying FTTH at home, but most important thing is that there is no such thing as traffic cap on fixed line of anykind for tcp/ip and even some wireless is also offered unlimited traffic. That makes the country develop such large internet business and culture with only 45+ million users speak Korean in the World.

I think free network traffic is more important than mere (+12mbps) speed up for urban users.

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#92780 28-Oct-2007 19:13

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I think free network traffic is more important than mere (+12mbps) speed up for urban users.

Hear hear

It was common to get free uploads and NZ traffic (there even looks to be decent peering nowdays, to actually make that work).

How have things actually got backwards, in the last couple years.

maninimepo

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#92850 29-Oct-2007 09:56

AmooMan:
Sure I dont expect Telecom to pay for it all..
The NZ Goverment should be putting in funding also.

Because BT in the UK have been dragging their feet and insisting they can't afford to role out FTTH, the British government are considering at least part funding of the project.

Lots of people don't think the government should be funding a private network, which I can understand, but at the same time better comms would help the economy, so the government are keen to get it done ASAP.

I guess the situation is similar here, Telecom aren't interested/can't afford/don't want to do FTTH, when most people recognise that it's the best option. I don't think government funding is the best option though, here or anywhere else.

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#92873 29-Oct-2007 12:14

I for one are very postive about this, with current capex spend by Telecom sitting at 0.5% of income (Telco average of 2-3%) they have been hugely underinvesting in NZ for some time.

I think PaulR will bring a sea change to Telecom, stop the petty fighting with the government and get on with providing a decent network we can finally depend on to run NZ's businesses across.

The amount of time I've personally spend trying to work around Telecom's network problems for clients, sourcing ever more exotic networking solutions from TelstraClear or flat out building networks from scratch for clients which are close together so we can have a reliable pipe to get the applications working has been painful. I'm looking forward to the bits coming down the pipe in a nice reliable solid flow so I can get back to my job of building on top of it.

All I've ever wanted is to be able to pay a reasonable amount of money and buy a reliable connection without constant dramas. It's now looking like this may become a reality.

And this coming from what others here have called a Telecom hater :-)

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#92944 29-Oct-2007 17:29

exportgoldman:

I for one are very postive about this, with current capex spend by Telecom sitting at 0.5% of income (Telco average of 2-3%) they have been hugely underinvesting in NZ for some time.

The amount of time I've personally spend trying to work around Telecom's network problems for clients....... I'm looking forward to the bits coming down the pipe in a nice reliable solid flow so I can get back to my job of building on top of it.

yeah...this stat always cracked me up. In basic stats101, the exercise of drawing up a statistical average across a range of data is fairly easy to do - but its facinating how conclusions are then extrapolated. The problem with averages is that it simply tells you the range of values involved and where the middle point is - and thats all. What it doesn't tell you is how the numbers got there. So does Singtel, for example, with a profit of 3.7 billion last year servicing a region the size of lake Taupo have more purchasing power because its has 4 times the profit of Telecom? Does NZs GDP ranking of 50th in the world make us a poor country? If the majority of men around the world are bald at the age of 60, does that mean that everyone who still has their hair should get it shaved off?But I completely agree Telecom should have spent more - but not because of the generic statistic above. Basically in buying AAPT - they brought a dog - that then proceeded to eat up vast amounts of revenue/ debt that could otherwise have been spent in NZ.

Yeah - I've been in the same boat re putting together customer solution both in NZ and throughout Australia and Asia - but I guess unlike your experience I had both positives and negatives with all the carriers (including Telstra). I've always found its not so much the company - as the contact point in the company. Lets face it - if the packets all flowed easily then we'd be out of a job and geekzone would be very quiet! ;-)

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